Being Bit By the Big One
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Being Bit By the Big One.
You have heard of the phrase biting the big one. Well how about the big one biting you? Back in February 2001, My Zoology class took a field trip to site in south Texas. It was to be a cross Botany and Zoology outing. My field is Herpetology and I've been at it for twenty years. Sometimes even experience needs a little reminder.
By midday our class started to a new location to monitor alligator drag marks. I was driving with my wife and former Botanist professor when I spotted a large Western diamond back crossing the road. Actually it was very hard to miss, seeing that it looked like a moving speed bump with a rattle. I stopped the truck immediately to get a better look and decided to catch him to show the class. I figured since we were there, and the class was to go to Mexico in a few weeks, I could give some pointers on what to look for and expect if we ran across something venomous in Mexico.
Photo by Bret Welch (c)2001
Now, I have caught over two hundred large atrox well over six feet with very little problems, but this one was different. He was right out of hibernation, hungry, grouchy, and I found him in the middle of the day. I usually see the monsters at night during breeding season, so this was totally different. I had no grabbers or hooks with me and all I could use was a shirt to give him a target. Usually if you can cover their heads they'll calm down long enough to get a decent pin. This big boy had no intention of giving up or going for the shirt routine.
So I had him distracted with the shirt long enough to grab his tail with my left hand and move him to the road where every one could see. With his tail over my head and his head a few feet on the ground he actually turned to the left struck up in the air, and as I was moving back to avoid being hit in the face, my left hand simultaneously came down. He got it. Both fangs right on the top of my hand, and injected a large quantity of venom. I had a small audience of about fifteen people who were now needless to say, quite shocked. I looked straight up at my zoology friend and said, "This one is going to hurt in the morning." Not the brightest thing I've said, but I almost felt like laughing. Well, at first I did.
I've been bitten before and am certainly no stranger to what might happen next, but I did not know I was going to have to calm everyone else down too. As I tried to herd college students one way and my wife and friend the other, I was sucking out as much venom as I could. Trying to get it to bleed harder to wash out as much venom as possible. I got in the truck, wrapped my hand in the shirt I was using and basically ordered to be taken to the nearest hospital.
It took thirty to forty minutes to get to the first one, but while this was going on I was trying to keep a mental log of what was happening to me and trying to keep my wife sane. Not easy when the driver is have difficulty trying to put an automatic in different gears. With in seconds my hand doubled in size and color. The fingers were taking on a grotesque figure, like the wicked witch of the west or something. My hand was still bleeding very hard, and I was feeling sick to my stomach. I happened to look into the rearview mirror and noticed my eyes were yellow. I mentioned this to my wife, who at this point told me most of my skin was turning yellow too. Pain, Pain, and more Pain, but I kept silent for the most part, and the nausea was really kicking in now. So far I had suppressed gong into shock, but I felt I would go into it any time now.
After my friend missed every light and a few corners, we got to the first hospital. I'm not sure how I did it, but under my own power I got out of the truck and walked into the emergency room. By this time certain motions became extremely difficult, like speech and walking. Right off the bat this hospital had no antivenin. My first thought was, "Great I'm dead. But okay now what?" Then some young EMT thought it would be a good Idea to ask me if I was sure it was a snake. I can't repeat what I said, but it was something along the lines of a garden hose.
Anyway, vitals were taken and my blood pressure was at 60/38 and I was going into respiratory failure. So I was intubated. Fun, fun - hoses in places hoses do not go, but we are just getting started. Now we are off to the next hospital, only fifteen minutes away. Keep in mind that during a bite of this magnitude, seconds count. As we pulled into the next emergency bay I had already gone into shock, but I was still conscious. Hard to describe the chaos next, still remembering bits and pieces.
In the thick of dying someone thought black widow antivenin would be appropriate. Why? Who knows, but I fought off five of them and pulled the IV out before they knocked me out. Some thirty hours later I woke with a tube in my mouth, a catheter, and IV lines in just about all major veins. I was pretty sure I had died and went to hell. My new doctor was a trauma specialist and had seen snakebites before, just not one like this. It is still unclear of how many viles of antivenin if any at all I received at the second hospital, but I did get five at the third. My Doctor says he has no idea how I survived the initial part of the bite, but I speculate that having been bitten before has a lot to do with it.
Copyright, Bret Welch 2001-2002
Basically I fought off the bite for almost forty hours. The atrox that bit me was a little over seven feet and its bite measured at six centimeters from fang to fang. It was estimated that I received well up to two hundred milligrams of venom from my buddy. No one has ever seen an atrox bite cause the eyes and skin to turn yellow. I have lost most of the use of my left hand, but I've still got it! And believe me, certain doctors tried to take off!
Copyright, Bret Welch 2001-2002
For all who read this: There is nothing in the world that will deter me from my love of venomous snakes, but I will no longer try to pin them without the proper equipment. A lesson I still learn every time I try to pick something up with the left hand. No harm was done to the snake. If it had, I would have been far more dangerous than the rattler to who ever hurt it. Life is funny sometimes. Mine keeps telling me to slow down a bit. And to my mom, who said if I had died, Here lies Bret, who did not bite the big one, the big one bit him. I still love ya!
Copyright, Bret Welch 2001-2002
P.S. I believe the class that went to Mexico developed a very healthy respect for snakes! ;-)
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by Bud on January 3, 2002
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Now Thats a bad bite! no arguments here.
Entubated due to the neurotoxcity
a large atrox bite is like 20+ pigmy bites.
give or take a few.
bill
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by TAIPAN78 on January 3, 2002
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Wow!!! Im glad you made it without loss of limb and or life!! Yikes!! Outa all the snakes in the world, C.atrox would have to be in my top five, NEVER GET NAILED BY snakes! Those huge fangs, massive venom yeild and potent venom just make for one horrible enveomation. Thank you very much for shareing your experience and hope everyone who reads this walks away with a new apprecation for this very commonly kept species of rattlesnake.
Later,
Jeremy
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by Buzztail1 on January 3, 2002
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DAMN!!!
That is certainly enough to cause one to pause and think "Am I being as safe as I could be?"
I am happy that both you and the snake survived. Not everyone gets to survive that particular lesson. Thank you for sharing your painful ordeal with us.
Karl
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by Crotalus on January 3, 2002
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Wow ... some bite. Glad all finally worked out and no harm was done to the snake.
I keep a variety of large Crotalus , but never had the desire to mess with atrox. I've had three good friends, two who were experianced handlers/keepers of many venomous snakes, get bad bites by atrox. I've heard many other bites from this species on experiance keepers, and all were horror stories.
I don't know .... atrox seem to be winning. Possibly a pact they have among themselves as a species to get back at us whenever they can for the years of the rattlesnake roundups and getting shot in cowboy movies.
Glad to hear you pulled through and best of luck in the future. Try to restrain yourself from picking up seven foot rattlesnakes by the tail in the future.
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by newggtongs on January 4, 2002
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Glad you made it through ok,
I thought I would use this space to tell you all about something I saw on tv the other day,
Te show was "real tv" they showed a segment of a guy who kept a 4 ft C.Atrox in a ten gallon tank with a screen lid in his living room. He got the snake out to show off to the camcorder. He tailed it and used a pink plastic hanger as a hook. Then he got down on his the floor and let the snake go up his arm, and, Big Suprise! He got bolth fangs in the wrist and spent the next week in intensive care.
This is true!
Be safe,
Darren
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by Ambrosia on January 7, 2002
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This bite was a learning experience for us all. Doctors were amazed by the sheer magnitude of it all. The amount of venom... alone was enough to kill a couple of people. Caution is now an extremely practiced method in our household as well as in the field.
M. Welch
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by explorer on January 31, 2002
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I'm terribly sorry about you're horrific encounter with that large rattler. In my opinion, holding a venomous snake by the tail is too big a risk. I'm not a herpetologist but have caught many poisonous snakes over the years having grown up in southeast Texas and south Louisiana. I learned from my father the consequences of handling poisonous snakes improperly as he was bitten by a large rattler between the index and middle finger while visiting west Texas. Hopefully the students who witnessed the bite will think twice about grabbing by the tail instead of securing the head!
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by badgertx on January 31, 2002
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I doubt any will ever try to pick up a venomous snake after that, but if they do, they will have a very good reminder of what can happen if not handled right.
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by NVENOM8 on June 5, 2002
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Dude!Your so lucky to be alive.I keep some very dangerous snakes and have for over 20 years,and thank my lucky stars I havent taken a bite.......yet.Great survival story.Brook Berntson
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by bj7150 on June 11, 2002
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I know exactly how you felt...I was bitten by a rattler back in June 2001. Not fun to say the least. However, I have a problem that maybe someone on here can help me with. Like I said I was bitten last June. I was taken to ER within 10 minutes. It was 5 hoours later before antivenin was given. The hospital did not tell us that they had none and instead of getting it from another local hospital they flew it in from Dallas which is 300 miles from me.
I was finally given 10 vials and in ICU for 5 days. Now I won't go into all the story as it is long and pretty bad but I need info on the length of time hospitals have to wait to give the antivenin (we were told they had to wait 2-3 hours to see if I was allergic) and I need as much info as possible on how antivenin works, if it works less if it is administered well after the initial bite...Please, anyone that can give me ANY info...I have medical problems still that are getting worse daily and I need this information. I don't know where else to go to get it. E-mail me with any help at bj7150@yahoo.com. Thank you, Brenda
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by bj7150 on June 11, 2002
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I know exactly how you felt...I was bitten by a rattler back in June 2001. Not fun to say the least. However, I have a problem that maybe someone on here can help me with. Like I said I was bitten last June. I was taken to ER within 10 minutes. It was 5 hoours later before antivenin was given. The hospital did not tell us that they had none and instead of getting it from another local hospital they flew it in from Dallas which is 300 miles from me.
I was finally given 10 vials and in ICU for 5 days. Now I won't go into all the story as it is long and pretty bad but I need info on the length of time hospitals have to wait to give the antivenin (we were told they had to wait 2-3 hours to see if I was allergic) and I need as much info as possible on how antivenin works, if it works less if it is administered well after the initial bite...Please, anyone that can give me ANY info...I have medical problems still that are getting worse daily and I need this information. I don't know where else to go to get it. E-mail me with any help at bj7150@yahoo.com. Thank you, Brenda
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by billslugg on August 4, 2002
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I know an RN that was present when a 2 year old boy
was under treatment in Albany, GA about a month ago
for a cottonmouth bite. He lived about 12 hours.
The fang marks were 5 cm apart. The primary bite
was wollered out so much that a female nurse said
her little finger would have fit in it. There was a
total of 5 bites. 32 units of antivenom was administered. The parents seemed unconcerned in the
waiting room, joking and laughing with friends.
Apparently they had been told of the rarity of death.
There is extreme reluctance by the medical community
to discuss the case so this is all I could get.
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by Echis on January 16, 2003
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congratulations on pulling trough.I gues there are better ways to remind us that we got one heck of a dangerous passion here and that it can get us everytime,everywhere.From all bites by captured snakes that Ive heard of,it was almost always an atrox,and because I dont want to gamble with my luck,thats the reason i dont keep one!
Well,good Luck for you in the furure!!
Jan
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by ol3toes on March 12, 2003
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wow thats some tissue damage there. I am glad you understood it was not the snakes fault. Many people will see this and blame the reptile as being nasty. I have handled so many Rattlesnakes I can't count them all. I have never been bitten. However, I have always been and shall be carefull when handling these creatures. I don't go along with tailing, your pic shows a perfect example of why not to do that. Croc hunter thought he could tail a rattler, he almost got bit too. I have seen to many snakes come back up on a person. Sorry that happened to your hand. Nothing worse then seeing a fellow herper suffer a bite from something he enjoys working with.
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by psilocybe on January 27, 2004
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Wow, sure glad you were able to pull through that one, considering the seriousness of the bite and the inefficient medical treatment you recieved (black widow antivenin????)...it's amazing you came across a 7 ft. atrox, around here (New Mexico) the biggest I've personally seen is around 4 ft...probably cause ignorant people killing them off before they get that big... :(
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by Gaperina on May 23, 2004
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This story reminds us that our health is mainly our responsibility and that there are all kinds of medical care - and lack thereof - out there.
ANYONE handling venomous snakes should know what they have, the specific antivenins to use, how much will be required and where the stuff is kept locally, as well as the ERs that are likely to deliver the best care, "just in case."...
As the guy who put a machete clear through my leg clearing brush, I can share the immortal words of Bill Engvall with Brett.... "Here's your sign!"
Learned the hard way
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by willy on August 24, 2004
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This guy is really lucky to be alive given the time it took to get him on antivenom, just goes to show the slightest slip up or over confidence and your dead!! Or close to it.
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by blacktara on February 17, 2005
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I am a physician in Georgia who has dealt with a few Crotalid bites over the years (tho never any envenomation approaching the severity of the one in this case) I have some thoughts on this whole thing
It does seem odd, and is disturbing, that medical personal in an area where these snakes are native would have no clue what to do and that anyone would think that black widow antivenom would help. That said, there is a big difference between incompetance and inexperience. I myself who has experience in minor copperhead and rattler bites would be challenged by treating something as severe as this bite - but in life threatening situations, you apply basic principles of critical care and you get the help you need - be it calling a zoo, a poison center, or getting consultation with a snakebite specialist by phone if you have to
Now the part I am sure isnt gonna be popular, but it's gotta be said. ANYONE, and I dont care if you've been handling hot snakes twenty years, I dont care how much you think you know, I dont care if you're Steve Irwin or Jeff Corwin or whoever - ANYONE, and did I repeat ANYONE, who picks up a seven foot long diamondback freehand - is plain and simple a JACKASS
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by Joyia on February 21, 2005
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Don't you hate it when they fight back.
I got bit when I was 2 after trying to chase a western diamond back. It didn't like being stepped on.
I still love snakes and own 6
Glad to hear the snake got to slither away with its life. They are killed far to often.
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by Scott7590 on August 10, 2005
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If you live in venomous snakes' territory, you should check area hospitals to see which ones have anti-venom. It's very expensive, so don't think every hospital has it. You should also ask about each hospital's experience in treating snakebites. An inexperienced physician may not really know what to do. Pumping you full of anti-venom may not be a good treatment. You need to be tested for any allergic reactions to horse serum. Some anti-venom is made from chicken blood, but good luck in finding it.
You need to consult an expert to try to avoid future problems, which seem to be affecting you. You may have to hunt one down, but it will be well worth it. I know of some snake bite victims who have developed terrible arthritis in joints near the bite site.
Good luck, and keep us posted.
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by Scott7590 on August 10, 2005
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Why would you think your comments would be unpopular? Look at the guy's hand. He almost died!
I took a friend copperhead hunting some years ago. I caught, as I recall, five of the snakes by lifting them with a snake stick and putting them into a bag. My friend decided to pin the snake and pick it up. He, of course, got a fang in the thumb. It wasn't life-threatening, but was a very painful experience.
Free-handing venomous snakes is, for most people, a thing of the past. There's no need to do it. Tube them (but be careful in puting them into the tube!).
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by longtooth on November 9, 2005
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bret wow man you are lucky glad ya still got the hand and your life.I was bit in 2003 by a cane, a young one only one fang but envenemated enough sometimes health care people make me so damn mad they have no traing at all for this type of event, anyway after three hrs i got 14 vials of crofab 2 and a half days in icu and a 90,000 dollar bill thank god for good insurance like you i still love em and still have them i just pay a lot more attention to what iam doing.I try to tell newbies to think really hard about keeping these animals i been doing it 20 yrs and i got lax once and paid for it so did you.Any way thanx for the story man take care stay safe later coy beck j.r.
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by keyz on March 5, 2006
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One Serious bite! I'm kind of glad we don't get them in England as the temptation would be a terrible thing for me!
I can't say that I know any better but I have learned alot from reading this article and must thank you for sharing the story with us all, Hope the hand is still there,
Be safe,Keyz.
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by edv7028 on June 12, 2006
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Hi, and Congratulations on still being, not only alive; but with all your extremities intact ! This may not be the exact place to place this post; but I was wondering what your hospital bill was for this incident. I saw once on the series "Rescue 911" or some show about snakebites and antivenom where they mentioned that antivenom injections cost about $20,000.00 per series. I'd sincerely like to find the actually current cost of such a series. Thanks !
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by Bitisthebigone on March 3, 2008
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I feel for you on that one. In the late eighties I was tending to a four foot atrox and was bitten in the soft flesh of the left hand. Thankfully only one fang took hold but I instantly knew it was a hot bite. Blood streamed from my hand and would not coagulate. I watched each finger and my hand swell till it resembled an inflated medical glove. My skin turned yellow and the pain could best be likened to having ones skin on fire. Any brush of cloth or slight breeze lit the nerves up. My arm swelled to the shoulder before I was k.o.'d with morphine. Once the pain subsided I was shamed by all my herp friends for screwing up and to be honest, it worked. Have never been bitten since and do not intend to in the future. And that reminds me, shouldn't those oreganus be waking up right about now?
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by Bitisthebigone on March 3, 2008
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I feel for you on that one. In the late eighties I was tending to a four foot atrox and was bitten in the soft flesh of the left hand. Thankfully only one fang took hold but I instantly knew it was a hot bite. Blood streamed from my hand and would not coagulate. I watched each finger and my hand swell till it resembled an inflated medical glove. My skin turned yellow and the pain could best be likened to having ones skin on fire. Any brush of cloth or slight breeze lit the nerves up. My arm swelled to the shoulder before I was k.o.'d with morphine. Once the pain subsided I was shamed by all my herp friends for screwing up and to be honest, it worked. Have never been bitten since and do not intend to in the future. And that reminds me, shouldn't those oreganus be waking up right about now?
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by clozzar123 on June 24, 2008
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WOW!!! that sounds nasty but im glad you survived it with your hand with you.lol do you have any snakes of your own?
i am getting a albino ball python when i am 13. i love snakes and they are my fav animal!!!
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by KRAITCATCHER on October 24, 2009
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Wow man,that brings up the hais on the back of my neck!I had 1.1 very beautiful,and very big,both over 5.5',Atrox.The male I called "spooky" he would just sit there,while I held the prekilled rat,some times 15 min.(on tongs of course) no rattling,no hissing,nothing,then...BAM!,The female was a little more predictable,but a hard striker none the less.I shiver at the thought of being hit by one of them.Glad you lived to tell the tale.
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by Anarch on September 16, 2011
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I had an uncle I never met because of a rattler. He was bitten when he was 4 when our family lived out in between Florence and Coolidge in Arizona back when the nearest hospital was 2 hours away. Rattlers are no joke.
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by Irishviper on September 21, 2011
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The younger the person, in this case a child, the venom has less mass to work on, so fatalities were often common for small children. Then again, without proper medical treatment and the possibility of poor health to begin with, anyone is subject to potential death from a bite.
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by galllatea on April 17, 2012
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Amen to that. Not to mention, if the person bit was an 'expert' or studying snakes - one would think as a student or instructor, there would be some research into surrounding hospitals to see what resources were out there and available.
Doing field research knowing full well someone could get bit and die - why wouldn't anyone research what the local hospitals supplied etc..to assess risk. Seriously, how often does someone get bit by a snake like this - and you expect a small hospital to be prepared?
Maybe less damage could've been incurred to the function of the hand if all the time traveling to multiple hospitals wouldn't have had to take place. Not to mention - alerting local hospitals of students in the woods picking these types of snakes up potentially, maybe the hospitals would up the bar for keeping certain anti venoms in stock and implementing continuing ed with the employees - if the hospital doesn't know what's going on in the community, they can't prepare. It sounds like they'd never seen a bite like this, ever.
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by Chris_Harper on April 18, 2012
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Clearly, this was a situation where the person who was bitten learned a painful and tragic lesson. The medical facility receiving you may or may not have someone on staff that knows exactly the best and most perfect treatment for your situation. In this case, the patient "assumed" that the first hospital would know how to handle this. Is that really too much to expect? You would think it wasn't.
If you are bitten, when in doubt, my advice is to get Poison Control involved, or the Miami Dade Antivenom Bank. Either will be able to point your clinicians in the right direction.
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by Dadee on August 1, 2013
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Jeremy as this story reads., i have not once ever advocated any person touch a tail. I see them do it all the time, but its just a matter of time. You will get tagged. I always use tools. Never put your hands on something that can take you out. They are wild and will always be so. No more needs to be said about these animals. I've kept most if not all hots under the sun. I refuse to touch any of them....not because I'm scared, just because I respect what they are. I hope you understand what I'm saying. Your hands really mean a lot.
Hope you get the message.
MJ
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by WilliamL on May 20, 2015
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I recently took a trip to Prude Ranch, where I heard this story. My brother saw a Coral Snake outside today and got very upset when my father killed it. I tried to explain to him that this sort of thing would happen, but he insisted that snakes are 'Misunderstood' and in a way, they are. I appreciate you posting this, and I'm not sure if you remember me, but this just shows how lethal snakes can be. You're lucky your blood was so strong :) Also, Sorry about the needles. I hate them too.
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by Acidiumsix on February 18, 2016
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Whats the point of killing a coral snake unless you have a baby crawling around turning over rocks and things? A coral snake can barely get its mouth over an infants finger..they poze zero threat to adults unless your spreading the web of your hand in its face or putting it in your mouth. Seriously, thats a perfect example of how people get all goofed up over something they know nothing about..some mushrooms are poisonous too and so it bleach if you drink it..this doesnt mean you stomp on every mushroom you see and pour every jug of bleach you come across down the drain..Theres just no justifiable reason to kill a coral snake unless you find one in the babys bedroom.
Dont just educate yourself..educate anyone who gives you the opportunity..
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by Acidiumsix on February 18, 2016
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Excuse my leaving out a few important notes and being unable to edit...I meant to say "most coral snakes have tiny mouths..there are those that manage to grow large enuff to bite an adult..but their fang placement makes it hard to bite anything bigger than a baby finger..they are so shy anyway..really zero threat unless you grab em and present an opportunity and vulnerable bite site..
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by lucky4 on April 6, 2016
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In front of a crowd of students no less. I guess showing them how to catch a hot snake, without tools, was really important to you. As a boss once told me, (I once was a climber who instructed new climbers on safety and equipment), that if I chose to do any climbing instruction without being on rope, and I fell, I was fired before I hit the ground. His point being that if I was trying to show off my skills by being un-roped while training I was doing it for my own benefit, not theirs. We can all be a good bad example. On your own time I guess you do as you please. I don't wish you any ill will and hope your recovery is full and you have adapted.
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