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by MoccasinMan on March 14, 2007
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Hickory- You will need to fill out your profile if you want anyone to take you seriously. You might also consider pulling your head out of your arse. I have worked with Roark for 3 years in NC & SC fighting AR backed legislation. Together we have worked to build NCARK & SCARK into organizations equiped to deal with the problem of ban proposals. While you were complaining about your spotted turtle Roark was on the steps of the SC General Assembly fighting for your rights. No single person has championed the cause of rights of ownership in SC more effectively and persistantly than Roark. I am sorry that you are unhappy with the turtle law (I'm unhappy w/ the turtle law in NC). Where were you when the legislation was being debated... sitting on your couch watching American Idol? What agenda are you referring to that you think Roark is beholden to? Wake up!!!
Andrew
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by wncherps on March 14, 2007
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Hey Parrish. Keep in mind that if Roark and Andrew fail in their "fight" for what you think people should "BEWARE" about, chances are, you won't be able to sell anymore of your wild caught venomous at any more shows. Now I'm going to watch American Idol !
SAL RICCO
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by bigsnakedaddy on March 14, 2007
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What a load of crap! Is your diaper full? You may as a SC native collect 9 adult spotted turtles with an easily obtained no cost permit. No jumping through hoops or anything. Additionally I had nothing to do with the more than fair legislation other than to offer suggestions to a competent and wonderful resource to SC herpers and herps our own Steve Bennett. Steve Bennett has proven over and over to be a model SCDNR Wildlife Biologist that is held in high regard by both professional and amateur reptile keepers alike. Spotted turtles are protected in all states where they are indigenous. SC laws are the fairest and most palatable around. I have for more than 20 yhears defended the rights of the keeper and the kept in SC and other states as well. Whomever you are you are indeed misinformed. What state do you live in? I have heard nothing negative about spotted turtles in this state from SC natives. I can understand that people who rape and pillage our wildlife by collecting and reselling over state lines might be offended that our state treasures are afforded some measure of protection. I do not understand why you would question my motives. I think you will find yourself in small company with people questioning your motives instead. The real enemy rejoices in the fragmented and disjointed herp society that fights over petty jealousies and foolish sensitivities. Your post is an insult to anyone who knows Steve Bennett or myself or anyone with even a modicom of common sense. Instead of a misinformed post designed to discourage people from making a difference you should have called and aired your beef whether real or imaginary. Best regards to all.
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by bigsnakedaddy on March 15, 2007
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UPDATE ON SPOTTED TURTLES! At this time Steve Bennett is doing summer field research. The spotted turtle permit is currently undergoing revision. No changes in number of wildcaught spotteds you can collect (nine), however instead of permit being renewed annually it will only need to be renewed every five years to save time/paperwork. This is a no cost permit. Send in your application (all rules still apply) and your application will be considered to be your permit. You will not need/recieve a paper permit until the new 5 year permits are sent out. Please send in your permit applications and collect no more than nine spotted turtles for private keeping/breeding. When filling out your application be sure to include your phone number and email address so Steve can notify you of reciept. No wildcaught spotted turtles may be sold, or carried across state lines. Captive born offspring of legally acquired turtles may be sold by permitted individuals.
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by Hickory on March 15, 2007
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Hi Roark, I apologize if I offended you in my previous article, I was just letting people know that you hold a position against the wild collecting of reptiles and that you expressed your views when you helped write the spotted turtle laws against the collecting and sale of spotted turtles. I am actually shocked that you in your last article just told every one to go out and break the law. Don't you know that it is against the law to sale a baby spotted turtle, (less than four inches), for ones on personal collection, that is not for scientific purposes. But then again that is what steve bennett intended when ya'll sat down and came up with the law. Yes you do know me and I am from sc and unless you have amnessia you told me that you were the one that actually came up with the part about keeping 9 turtles, so tell me and everyone else again that you had nothing to do with this peace a legislature. I was just mearly using the spotted turtle laws as an example to get a point across. You are against wild collecting and I am for it. I know that you think that you are the only one that has anything to do with fighting for the rights of us herps, but their are thousands of us that constantly voice our oppinions to our congressman and senitors on behalf of SC herps that do it free of charge, because we do love our rights and our reptiles. As for any one that wants spotted turtles I will gladly take them to where they can catch thier limit of 9 without having to illegally puchasing them and I will let everyone see for them selves the true steve bennett and his turtle permitting process in action then everyone can see for themselves were lies the truth. Just e-mail me at living2please@yahoo.com to go get your free spotted turtles. And by the way Roark I do not need to slander someone to get my point across as you and your followers show in their articles. You would think that some people would eventually grow out of that, but then again. I will be seeing you soon, because weather you like it or not we are actually on the same side, I hope, God help you if you're not, because you are going to let down alot of people. By the way, check whats coming up in legislature this session, I already have, your buddy steve bennett is at it again and I'm not talking about spotted turtles, then you may already know this. Should I fill you and everyone else in or let you find out on your own were steve bennett's loyalty's lie. Remember regardless of how great you think that steve bennett is( and I actually like him as a person) he is doing a job and his job is to pass and push what ever laws and regulations through congress that his superiors tell him to regardless of his personal views. So when you talk to steve are you talking to a fellow herp or a guy just doing his job.
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by bigsnakedaddy on March 16, 2007
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It is not against the law in South Carolina to possess the offspring (regardless of size)of legally obtained spotted turtles. If you can't breed spotted turtles with nine adults of appropriate gender and it is your intent to do so you probably should find another line of work. It may be against federal regulations to sell turtles under four inches unless for scientific purposes but not to possess them. Try to get it right before you write. You obviously don't know me at all. I would prefer that we not need any legislation. I am not against people collecting wildcaught animals to strengthen bloodlines for captive breeding projects. I am not against people taking animals from the wild as personal pets. Quite the contrary. I am 100 percent against the taking of reptiles out of the wild for blatant resale in SC. It's called conservation. Anyone who understands po;itics and protocol works with state agencies in order to accomplish good and not sacrifice our rights. You don't have a clue what I think. Just because I am out there fighting to make a difference on nearly all levels doesn't mean I think I have or should fight the wars alone. Read the article. This war is fought with the help of many enlightened individuals that I call allies and friends. I enlist the aid of all who care to make a difference and that is what I am doing now. Steve may work for a government agency but he is a herpetologist thru and thru and one of the most decent and fairminded individuals I have ever met. Believe it or not he is not a proponent for useless regulations nor does he delight in enforcement for enforcements sake. He's a man who is thoughtful and insightful and one of us. The spotted turtle law in SC is better than any other state's laws and are not invasive but rather nice/generous. Our resources need to be protected so that they are there for future generations. We have the best reptile laws in the country and it is our intent to keep them that way. If you have your nine spotted turtles go ahead and breed them. Your posts aren't going to help legislative matters or conservation matters on any level. It sounds as if you have a personal beef with Steve and are taking it out on me because I have forged relationships with people in SCDNR in order for us as a whole to have input in the laws that can affect our careers/hobbies. You are invited to join SCARK after reading the article again. Whether you believe it or not we fight for your rights to keep reptiles. Oh, and by the way, although I am against mass collection of reptiles for blatant resale in SC I am not in favor of legislation to ban the practice of selling a wildcaught reptile. We have real enemies to fight who are more organized and better funded. Let's concentrate on them not personal battles with each other!
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by elapidkeeper on March 31, 2007
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What's in SC legislature that we should know about that involves more than spotted turtles(which for one, who cares) Hickory?
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by cjnjsherps on March 7, 2009
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Hey, Roark, Mardi...I'm moving BACK to SC this summer, June, supposedly, only not back to Anderson, which is where I grew up. Anyhow, having some difficulties tracking down the state's legislative stance on herp ownership online. I'm assuming there's a list of "nuisance" animals, as well as "protected" species that can be found in the state, but have no clue as to where to find them. In addition, I'm an old school "hot" head, although I've whittled down my collection to just a few rattlesnakes in preparation for the move. Currently, I live in NM, and for the last 5 years or so I've been doing educational programs for the Wildlife Center with my reptiles, as well as co-heading the safe capture and release program sponsored by the same organization...I believe the web link is www.thewildlifecenter.org for those that are curious.
Any chance one of you guys could give me a heads up on where to look and what to expect? Dan Brooks of NM Game and Fish had me relocate my gaboons, puffs, albino monocleds, and two gators a couple of years ago to make a public example out of me, and I spent the subsequent 2 years pushing to change the legislation in this state which currently says "at the office's discretion." Doing what I do for the Wildlife Center has kept me in the public light, so I was an obvious publicity statement. The way this all got started was over a little copperhead that migrated into the state in a load of firewood. We got the call at the center, rescued the little guy, and Fish and Game showed up an hour or so later claiming it was an illegal alien that either had to be euthanized, or placed back out of the state within 72 hours! Not knowing exactly where it originated from other than a 50 mile radius, we could not return it, and finding someone willing to take it was harder than expected, but it did work -out only do not ask how or to where. So far, I've only accomplished staying the push in this state, and also putting a format in their hands to help ascertain what probably should, and should not, be allowed and to whom, as well as establishing a format for why. At the start of all this, I got into a discussion with Charlie Painter, the state Herpetologist, as to why it's legal to collect all but one of our species of rattlesnakes, and keep, but it's not allowed to bring in even rear-fanged and mildly venomous snakes from outside of the state, unfortunately I made my point by embarrassing him in a public forum by pointing out that even hognose snakes are rear fanged and mildly venomous. While that single statement helped in the sense that Game and Fish has backed off and been more willing to look at fallacies in in-office protocol for them, it will probably be remembered in a negative light in the future...get frustrated, open mouth-insert foot!
Any info would be greatly appreciated, and please expect me to be an ACTIVE member once getting there. Charleston is the proposed destination, in order to be closer to family again, although finding employment may be a larger determining factor in the exact location. Thank You
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by MegF on March 8, 2009
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There are very few restrictions as to keeping any snake here in S.C. You can buy and keep any venomous or non-venomous as long as it's not on the protected list. Indigos for instance require a permit. Otherwise, go to the local columbia show and you can pretty much buy anything there you want.
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