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by TCH_Zoological on August 31, 2008
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Thanks for the wonderful description of your encounters and the compliments.
You are correct about the CROFAB data....I don't know of any (C.concolor) bites that were not successfully treated. However, I wouldn't be surprised to see complications due to the venom components. Still, venoms seem to be so highly variable among individuals that the "science" of it all hasn't even begun to scratch the surface of understanding.
Blessings,
TC
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by TCH_Zoological on September 6, 2008
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Please note a new website:
Western Rattlers : Biological notes on the Crotalus oreganus complex from the Colorado Plateau.
http://www.westernrattlers.com
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by FSB on March 31, 2011
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Very nice article with lots of detailed information. Did you attend Liberty University in Lynchburg? I used to live in the area for a while.
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by BigJT on March 14, 2012
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Theyre cool but it just looks like a massasauga with lighter brown spots and a pointy snout.
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by crotalus69 on April 17, 2013
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I am the camphost at the Escalante Petrified Forest State Park and an avid amateur Herpetologist.Last summer I found what I was quite certain was a concolor at the park as well.I sent my herpetologist friend photos of the specimen, and coincidentally he was attending the IHS at the time, and there was a Costa Rican herpetologist there who is an expert on the ever tricky Western Rattlesnake forms.He ID'ed the snake as a Grand Canyon rattlesnake instead,C.v.abyssus.Stebbins Field Guide doesn't even show that species in the state of Utah, but that guide is old and many of the range maps are obsolete.After a summer there talking with local hiking guides and doing my own searching , etc,it appears that Escalante is too high in elevation and about 15-20 miles too far SW to be in the range of concolor.The closest area where they are regularly found is in the lower desert area closer to the Colorado river, especially in the popular slot canyons where they often get trapped by floods, etc
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by crotalus69 on July 16, 2013
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I have been the camphost at the Escalante Petrified Forest State Park for 2 years now.The snake you saw was actually a Grand Canyon Rattlesnake,C.v.abysuss.Concolor are not found in Escalante proper, but can be found in the slickrock areas 20-30 miles south of here.Although Stebbins range map does not show abysuss in Utah, there has been a range extension of late and they are actually common here--in fact, I have not encountered a lutosus in the park yet, but have seen at least a dozen abysuss!!!
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by NestofWeasels on July 19, 2013
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My September 2007 sighting at Escalante State Park (see above) did not look like any 'Grand Canyon' pictures or descriptions that I have seen. Also, for what it is worth, the ORIANNE SOCIETY's range map (http://www.oriannesociety.org/midget-faded-rattlesnake) more than covers the part of Garfield County Utah where my sighting was.
Unfortunately, I did not make a DNA test nor did I have a working camera. Further, in the fading light, I could not convince my wife to go get _her_ camera.
I can't rule out that both Grand Canyon and MFT picture groupings are 'polluted' with incorrect attributions. But the snake I saw really was not consistent with the parameters of the typical 'Grand Canyon' specimen.
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by NestofWeasels on July 19, 2013
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Following up on my question to the author in regard to treating MFT invenomations, I recall doing some research back at that time and recall that I found about five instances of envenomation by the MFT since about 2000. Of course, owing to much inevitable missidentification, it is hard to really say how many, if _any_, people have actually been bitten by an MFT. I would also conjecture that the observed docility of this creature tends to suggest that the envenomation of humans is probably _very_ rare so that it probably puts the recorded accounts of such attribution in doubt.
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by crotalus69 on July 30, 2014
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There are no concolor in or near the town of Escalante--you encountered a grand canyon rattlesnake.After 5 years of searching and working with naturalists at the National Monument visiting center,the closest area you can find a concolor is approx 30 miles SE of Escalante in the area near the AZ border in the lower, hotter environments.Try Moab, Goblin Valley S.P., etc.
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by blacktatara on September 1, 2015
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I have some questions - Read wuith interest your comments re midget faded and abyssus - How firmly established is it that the snakes near Escalante are abyssus? Second I know that all crots are protected in Utah - How would it be for someojne who wanted to visit the park and find a snake just to do some photography. Third, are they only IN the state park or can they be found on the road around that area but outside the park as well. I am asking this because I am going to the area real soon - going to be visiting some sites around Page, Az where abyssus can be found outside the canyon but would be most interested in swinging by Escalante if they are easy to find and if herping for photographs wont get us in trouble with the powers that be. Thanks in advance for any info you can provide me
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