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RE: Bonding with your snake
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by Phobos on October 19, 2004
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Howard:
I don't think any of us are far enough off the wall to train Lap vipers...etc.. I firmly believe you can "take the animal out of the jungle but can never take the jungle out of the animal". I also beleive they do have distinct personalities.
It's a well documented fact at the Thai Red Cross "snake farm" where they milk snakes & produce antivenom the established King Cobras will actually put themselves in between a new agressive King Cobra and their keepers to protect them. That behaivor takes a bit more reptilian brain that you give them credit for. I've been there and seen there few dozen Kings in action.
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by captiveherps on October 19, 2004
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I had a 17 foot burmese that could recognise me. she would often come over to me when I walked into her pen. She would climb on me and rest her head on my lap.
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by Joy on October 19, 2004
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Oh, I was NOT implying that you could train a snake. Please do not get me wrong on that. They are wild animals, and we are not going to change that. But I agree that with time they can be conditioned to Pavlovian responses.
And I did not mean to compare my handling of a 5 foot python to ANYTHING venomous. If my python does decide to go for it, I’ll get a nasty little bite. She may loose a tooth. No one’s life is in jeopardy. This is simply my experience. And I readily admit that I have no venomous experience.
It is an entirely human inclination to anthropomorphize everything we deal with. This is EXACTLY why I do not trust myself around more aggressive and larger boids or any venomous species. I realize I consider my snakes pets. And I realize that when you get comfortable, you make mistakes.
Hey Phobos, where did you get that information? I would love to see it! There seems to be a consensus that Kings are the most intelligent species of snake.
Joy
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by Snake17 on October 19, 2004
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Stop talking about kings please. i`m boiling here because it will be a long time before I`ll get one or more of my own. They are truely one of my favorite animals. Probably they`ll become my #1 favorite when i will have direct contact with one. I was joking when I sayd not to talk about them...lol. I`m glad that this turned out to be relatively popular. As to having lap vipers, I agree, I would never trust any of my hots enough to freehandle no mather what sort of bond I feel I have with it. The exception here are some Vipera berus from one particular place that I found to be very placid after they are caught. I never had any problem with them and I free handled dousins of snakes from that population. All the other Adders I caught, from different places and handled were mostly mean as hell. Gotta love theese snakes, tey are truely fascinating.
Oh... I just remembered something realy cool. A friend of mine caught a big male adder 2 years and a half years ago and brought it over to show it to me. I asked him about the temper of the snake and he said it`s totaly placid and non-agressive. I took it out of the bag, looked at it a while I was tryng to put it in the bag, tailing it, it went balistic and started striking at me and chasing me, realy. Now it`s a very slow snake but it kept comming forward twords me and striking at me. Then my friend picked it up and it emidiatly calmed down. Now isn`t that weird ? I also kept this snake for a while later and it realy showned signs of intelligence, how it measured and calculated everything I did, the way it hunted, I don`t know, it was like it was looking at me like another viper. I just felt something there. Fascinating...at least in my opinion.
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by Phobos on October 19, 2004
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Joy:
One of the sources was already mentioned above, me & the resident keepers. If you ever get to Thailand the "Snake Farm" is a must see.
I also had seen the Sr. Keeper free handle the largest King I have even seen. I do not know how long it was but 15+ feet is a damn good start. Damn thing was like a "puppy dog" gliding up his arm letting him stroke it's head. I was dumb-struck!! I was inside a giant snake cage with "Golith" and a few dozen other kings all over 10 feet. When the keeper did this with the KC you could have knocked me over with a feather. I was very close 1-2 feet away, I was glad the KC payed no attention to me, Whew...., and kept on nuzzling the keeper.
That was an unexpected part of my VIP tour I got from them.
The other source is "Venoumous Reptiles" by Dr. Sherman Minton (Rip.)
Al
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Anonymous post on October 19, 2004
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I love my coperhed and he loves me and wood never bite me. I know he woodnt.
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by Snake17 on October 19, 2004
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If you say so... but don`t be upset when one day you`ll see the people here say: "We told you so, we warned you but you wouldn`t listen". Maybe yours is like the adders I`ve handled though. But anyway, I would NEVER trust a pit viper, old world vipers maybe, they can`t sense that I`m a warm blooded creature and a possible threat, but never, and I reapet NEVER a pit viper.
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