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by emtnurse on January 10, 2005
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Hey everyone. I am trying to find some info on the toxicity of the venom of a southern pacific compared to that of a canebrake. I know we have very knowledgeable people in here, so all info recieved is greatly appreciated.. thanks Bryan
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by RepFan on January 10, 2005
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Bryan,
Though I am in no way an expert on this particuliar subject; I just may be able to send you in the right direction. Try the following link:
http://www.venomdoc.com/LD50/LD50men.html
The LD50 for these two species is towards the bottom. Better yet ask Dr. Frye himself. Just go to venomdoc.com and e-mail him. He is a site member and an all around great guy/dr. specializing in toxicology as his nick name and site implies. If you have problems decifering the lingo, he can break it down for you into simple terms. Hope this helps and good luck on your search.
Later,
Todd
(a.k.a. RepFan)
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by Phobos on January 10, 2005
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Hi:
This was sort of discussed in a thread a few months back. Canebreak populations have venom of variable composition. The population around Oceola have a very strong neurotoxic component that in somecases can kill in 30 mins. Other than this group the venom resembles a typical C. horridus. The Crotalus viridis helleri seems to pack one "hell" of a bite. The venom composition is also somewhat variable but always seems to be strong in Hemorragic & Neurotoxic componets.
If you get cable tv and get Animal Planet; Venom ER has many helleri bites to treat. They are in many cases, very bad, with one fatality shown despite 30 vials+ of CroFab given. The other snakebites including Mojave seem to be less serious.
I will be at The biology of Rattlesnakes symposium next week hosted by Loma Linda University and will learn more about Crotalus viridis helleri envenomation.
http://www.roblee.com/rattlesnakes/
Cheers!
Al
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by emtnurse on January 10, 2005
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Hey thanks Al, I have that video that Crofab sent me that shows the man who got tagged on the hand by that southern pacific who almost died. I think he got 50 vials of crofab. Anyways, thank you very much for your information....Bryan
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by Phobos on January 10, 2005
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Hi Bryan:
Just think....50 vials x $1,650/vial=$82,500 just for the Crofab, don't forget to add several days in ICU and all the rest...easy $125,000!!!!
Makes ya sort of wonder why keep domestic hots
Another reason why we (Matt Harris) and I are organizing a Northeasten Antivenom Bank.
Best,
Al
coritz@neavb.org
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by Snake17 on January 10, 2005
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Hi Al,
I saw that Crotalus viridis bite on Venom ER too and I thought it was tragic. Several strokes, kidney failiure, coma, paralisis, death...Pretty unpleasing chain of events...
I might be getting a Crotalus viridis soon and that made me wonder.
Cheers
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by Phobos on January 10, 2005
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Hi Alex:
Yeah it was pretty ugly..and his bite was a legitmate bite, by not seeing it while hiking and stepping on it. The bite that EMTnurse (Bryan) talks about the guy getting fifty vials, is the case where he got tagged picking it up in his garage. The damn helleri hung on and chewed for 15 seconds! That was truly a gruesome case with blood coming from everywhere. They first thought it was an Exotic snake like a Russels or Sawscale bite.
Caio,
Al
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by Snake17 on January 10, 2005
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I saw that case too. Yeh...that was also groosom. Hopefuly there will be less of those kind of victims. Take care...
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by emtnurse on January 10, 2005
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It is those images we see that make us use extra caution while working with these wonderful animals. I have 2 southern pacifics right now. One of them has a solid stripe running down about 1/4 down his body. This snake is the "hunter" of the two. He bites everything that hits the cage floor and the mice die instantly. Thats why I was wondering how potent there venom maybe compared to canebrakes. It seems that my canebrakes dont kill there prey as fast as the southern pacifics do. Thanks for talking with everyone who replied. Bryan
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