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Eryx and Echis Photos for ID.
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by Cro on June 6, 2005
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Concerning the two photos of Kazakhstan Snakes submitted by Dave Farrow for identification. The photo labeled "Eryx tataricus" does appear to be a sand boa of the Genus Eryx, but I am not sure if it is tatericus. The photo labeled "Echis multisquamatus" is not Echis. Perhaps other members more familiar with that part of the world can offer additional advice. JohnZ
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by Buzztail1 on June 6, 2005
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The photo identified as Echis is, in fact, Gloydius halys. And the Eryx looks liks Eryx miliaris.
Just my opinion.
Karl
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by Cro on June 7, 2005
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Karl: I was thinking halys also, but was not quite sure, as the only photos of halys I had for reference showed more of a zig-zag pattern instead of the saddles or blotches, but the face patterns matched really well. I know that it is a highly variable snake. The range is also a match. JohnZ
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by Buzztail1 on June 7, 2005
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Try this:
Type "Gloydius halys" with the quotations and all into Google.com Images search and check out all the pics you get.
I am fairly confident that it is halys.
You can do the same with the Eryx.
For checking ranges (roughly - you can visit http://www.toxinology.com/) and type in the country you wish to check for.
Good luck,
Karl
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by Snake18 on June 8, 2005
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Karl, you`re 100 % right. The snakes are Goldyus halys and Eryx miliaris. Cheers
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by Cro on June 8, 2005
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Karl: Very interesting web site you sent us to, at http://www.toxinology.com/ . Overall, the concept is good, as it contains a extensive list of Genus and Species of snakes. But like you said the range information is very rough, with a lot of errors, and the data seems to be lacking on a lot of animals.
I did a quick check, and found that the site listed 4 of the 5 North American Copperheads, as it missed the Trans-Pecos (A.c.pictigaster). It also had the range map for the Northern Copperhead and the Osage Copperhead reversed! Hopefully, someone there will fix the errors, and turn it into a more usefull site.
Best Regards JohnZ
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by Buzztail1 on June 8, 2005
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You know, John, it never occurred to me to even check for a U.S. indigenous snake on that site since there is so much accurate information available through field guides, etc.
It is very general and, for the most part, quite accurate for the rest of the world (as we know it).
In fact, it is leaps and bounds ahead of any competition which may exist somewhere (but I haven't found it).
I use this site when I advise servicemen and women serving overseas as to the venomous snakes, spiders and scorpions which they may encounter. My own daughter and my brother-in-law used it for searches prior to deploying.
It is available for public use and I recommend it as a starting point for anyone interested. Once you have narrowed things down a bit, you can look for more exact information (range maps, scientific names updates, etc.) through more detailed searches.
Karl
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by Cro on June 8, 2005
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Karl: I agree that overall it is a very usefull web site. I have added it to my favorites, and will probably use it a lot. It has to be very difficult to keep a site like that updated. I appreciate you bringing it to our attention. Best Regards JohnZ
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