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by Buckk on July 3, 2005
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I have posted a pic from my research site in Marion County,S.C. I am not sure of the species. If someone could take a look I would apprediate it. My instructor is in Costa Rica I think and will not be back for a little while. The pic is in snakes for identification. I think it could be N.fasciata but I am not that great on identifying the young ones.
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by Cro on July 3, 2005
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The Dark Stripe From The Eye To The Angle Of The Jaw is the main identifying feature of N.fasciata, and shows well in your photo. JohnZ
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by ALA_herp31 on July 3, 2005
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I agree, definitely a (N. fasciata) Northern Water Snake. I see this Species every day around my part of the Country, very common. As a matter of fact, I know a place were you can watch them Feed for Hours on End. It is a Flood Dyke, not fare from my house. I was down there the other day and counted more than 10 of them Feeding in a area no bigger than a livingroom. I never thought I would see so many Snakes in one place in my life. It was like going to a Candy Store, I had a Ball!!!!!!!!!. I have seen (C. horridus) “Timber Rattlers” congregate this way, but never figured to see Northern Waters do this sort of thing. Next time I go, I plane to carry a Camera and get some Pictures to show ya’ll the amount of Snakes that congregate there............Be safe ya’ll, happy herping Wally
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by ALA_herp31 on July 3, 2005
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Sorry ya’ll, I got the Species name wrong, I meant to say (N. sipedon). Guess we all make mistakes occasionally huuuu? My bad ya’ll...............Be safe Wally
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by Buckk on July 4, 2005
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Thanks guys, Nerodia fasciata is what I will record in my notes. Oh by the way there was one R.clamitans in the trap and it is what I saw first. I didn't see the snake because it was at the end under the funnel,so I focused on the frog and felt something hit my hand slightly and it was the water snake. My first reaction was to look at the tail, and hoped I would not see green or yellow. What a relief it was. But anyway thanks.
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by Cro on July 4, 2005
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I think something got scrambled here on the way to the fireworks show and the snake identification.
Mark posted a photo for identification saying he thinks the snake is N. fasciata, which would be the Banded Water Snakem but he does not offer a common name.
Phillip said he thinks the snake is a Northern Water Snake, which should be N. sipedon, but Phillip does not use a Scientific name.
JohnZ agrees with Mark, and says that he thinks the snake is a N. fasciata, based on the Facial Stripe in the photo, which is found on N. fasciata, but not on N. sipedon, but does not use the common name Banded Water Snake, dark color phase.
Wally agrees with Phillip, said he thinks the snake is a Northern Water Snake, but calls it N. fasciata, which is the wrong name for a Northern.
Wally corrects his post, and says that the snake is a Northern Water Snake, N. sipedon.
Mark says he is going to record the snake as N. fasciata, but does not say what common name he is going to use.
Trey says he thinks the snake is a Banded Water Snake based on the range where Banded Water Snakes are Found.
JohnZ says things somehow got messed up between the common names and scientific names folks were using.
I still think the snake is a Banded Water Snake, N. fasciata, based on the Facial Stripe, which is found on Banded, Broad-Banded, and Florida Water Snakes, and much more consistant than pattern. The pattern of water snakes is highly variable, and not the best way to identify them. I also note that the Banded Water Snake has a range consistant with where the snake was captured, as Trey stated, and not the range of the Northern Water Snake. I further think that this is a dark phase of the Banded Water Snake that is less well known, which makes these snakes look more like a Northern Water Snake than the reddish colored typical Banded Water Snake at first glance.
Best Regards JohnZ
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by Buckk on July 5, 2005
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Thank you guys once again, and I apologize for not using banded water snake in my first post. When this happens again I will try to use both scientific and common names of the snakes. I also posted a pic in field photos of C.constrictor(black racer)it was still in the trap so I used my tongs to try to get it to come out, and when I did the snake raised up on the tongs and I couldn't resist the pic, oh well anyway thanks again, it's nice to be able to use a site that actually helps people learn, and also become aware of the dangers of venomous snakes when not treated with the respect they are due. I myself keep none, but everyday I have the opportunity to come across one. This site has taught me in so many words not to let curiosity override my common sense.
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