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by spongebobnopants on July 7, 2005
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I am a new member in here. And looking through these recent topics I see a couple of teenagers who have a smart mouth, inmature attitude, and just looking for attention. And these kids are so quick to defend themselves and cannot take advise. And these 2 kids, having the attitudes they have, are caring for venomous snakes. I am refering to Jermey and Phillip. It sounds to me, that you 2 kids cant even take care of yourselves. Jermey is on some kind of emotional roller coaster all the time. Phillip can not take critizim from EXPERIENCED keepers at all. And I really hope these 2 lads take the time to read this today. It seems to me, you both like the attention from other members in here, regardless if it is negative or positive. I know some of you will get mad at me posting this. And thats okay because I put my name with it. You will know who I am. Everytime there is a heated topic, guess who's name is ALWAYS in the topic. Yes, Jermey and Phillip. The topics always leads astray because of these 2 knuckle heads starting an argument. Jermeys feelings get hurt, swears he will never collect snakes because of this forum, or he wishes he was dead, or just some crazy stuff, then he will post an add 3 days later wanting info or telling about his next snake hunt. And Phillip, well, I have no words for Phillip. He just cant handle being wrong, and when he gets mad, he blames God, or just whoever. I wish these kids would come in here and post with maturity. Take advise when given, and just play the role of a stable person. Ling Ling.
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by hoyta on July 8, 2005
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well,they have a chance to grow.i started keeping hots when i was a teenager! you say its wrong to talk down about people,but you are doing the same thing by calling peoples names out.this is going to do nothing but start another "battle" on this site. please keep these comments to yourself to avoid more conflict than what is already there-adam
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by formosa77 on July 8, 2005
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The upside AND downside of being a teenager is that they usually grow up sooner or later. For me, it was much of my training in venomous animals that helped me to mature and get my life on track, even though I was an already an adult at the time I started.
It's been said that Venomous Keepers are about 1/1000 of all reptile keepers in this country. When we criticize and tear each other down, we run the risk of diminishing what is already a very arcane and elite group of people. What little voice we have in legal and other matters that concern us and our hobby, too, is diminished in the process.
None of us has a perfect record. NONE OF US. Even if one of us has never been bitten, each of us has had or certainly will have a close call or a moment of vulnerability that could have been avoided.
I'm not saying that Ling Ling is wrong in pointing out stuff about Jeremy and Phillip. All I'm saying is that these boys are in a formative stage of 1) their lives, and 2) their herp careers. It would be unfair to characterize their long term potentials based on such an early-intermediate state. I hope they both continue to grow in knowledge, and more importantly, in wisdom. That's the point when you know that even though you CAN hold a copperhead with your lips and get away with it, that you must never ever do so.
When we offer criticism and ridicule, it might be fun for you and me, but in the end it doesn't help them. These boys may be in a position, one day to help some of us with something we need. I'd rather they looked back favorably on the rest of us because we gave them guidance, even if they had to take some ribbing in the process -- ribbing that we've ALL taken at some point. In other words, if we poke fun, make sure that we also give them a nugget of something they can use.
Best,
Alex
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by Scootertrash on July 8, 2005
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Very well said Alex. I haven't said much in these very controversial threads that involve these two young gentlemen but what I have said is simply this: Give it time. We were all in your shoes at one time. And don't rush things. You are right though. We should not give these kids a too much of a hard time. One day they will look back on this time in their lives and wouldn't it be nice if they looked back and smiled? Thanks Alex, very inspirational and I hope that these two youngsters see your message.
Clayton
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by guttersnacks on July 8, 2005
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I think the point Ling Ling is trying to make is that they dont seem to be learning, their behavior hasnt changed, that I can see anyway, I really dont pay too much attention to it other than the occassional thread I happen to surf thru. If they seemed to learn and move on, then I'd give them the slack they deserve, but that doesnt really seem to be evident. It's the same old thing time and time again. I usually just try and stay away from the mayhem that gets produced.
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by timberrattlesnake89 on July 8, 2005
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I personally don't like attention from anyone on this site. It just always seems that people put me into it. On off the hook topic people where saying how he is such a idoit and so on. Well I was just giving you an explanation of why he did it and you all start at me. I am sorry you think you are so much supirier over me. I have never ever said I know all. That is idoicy to say that and I that is why I have never done it. Also how do I have a smart mouth. I just say my opinon and that is it. If you don't like it then let it go. What have I been wrong about that I have said? You say you have been keeping venomous snakes four 4 years. How do you think that you are ready for mambas? Seriouly I would not even want to work with one until I have ten times more experence. I will one day but it won't be any time soon. Keeping mamabas is just asking for death. I have talked to several zoo keepers and the have kept mambas at the zoo and they said that they would never keep a mamba out of a zoo. They are just to fast and dangerous to keep. I have several years pf wprking with venomous snakes but I still would not attemp a mamba. I will stick to native venomous snakes. Also do you have anti-venin for those cobras and mambas or are you going to relly on a zoo to save your life?
Phillip
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by Coralsnayk on July 8, 2005
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I get your point. I too, have never been bitten. I have come close to having a close call. If that makes sense. I agree with what you said to a degree, but do you honestly think that anyone out there "plans" to get bitten, or have a close call? Even those who don't let their guard down, are many more times likely to sustain a bite or a near miss than anyone who doesn't keep hots at all.
The simple rule is that any time there is a keeper in a room with a hot snake with no barrier between the two, there is a window of opportunity. Carelessness certainly doesn't help matters, but it's definitely not a prerequisite for a bite or close call.
Just food for thought.
G
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by sceniccityreptiles on July 9, 2005
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First, I think this thread and your comments were uncalled for. I don’t think Jeremy or Philip asked your opinion. How can you expect anyone to take you seriously, teenager or otherwise, when you call yourself spongebobnopants? You want to cast dispersions on someone else for being immature? I know Phillip and Jeremy personally. They both have a love for snakes that is unparalleled. Phillip rubes people the wrong way because he has limited social skills. He may not convey himself well, but he has a vast knowledge and has read almost every book published on husbandry. Jeremy has emotional problems, and he is aware of it, but he has had a life that would drive many people to suicide. Spongbob, I doubt you would be emotionally strong enough to endure the things Jeremy has. And as a snake hunter, Jeremy is as good as they get. I took both these guys to Miami last year and they are both legitimately good kids. Lay off them!!! And you should really try to get to know the root of things before you make inflammatory posts about people in a public forum like that.
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by bush_viper17 on July 12, 2005
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1. I cannot take advice? When have I never been able to take advice? I listen to everyone and I have always taken every bit of advice I can get. When I make a mistake I post and tell people about mistakes that I made just in case someone else ran into the same problem(usually people get offended when I do that for some reason and jump all over me)
2. I argue back when people throw my name into the mix. Look through the forums one more time. You will notice that more often than not, someone mentions my name first about something that we have already argued about and then the argument starts back up. You will notice that about every two weeks my name gets brought to attention. Everyone studies every word I say and turns it into something bad. I really have tried to help but put your self in my position. I have said time and time again that I dont free handle anymore and that It was long ago when I freehandled but everyone looks at me as a moron who still does things like that everyday. Truth is, I havent touched a venomous snake in ummm..2 months? Yeah thats about right.
3. When people get mad at Phillip, I usually get put "in the fire" to and vice versa. People look at Phillip and I as some Daredevil stunt team who is out for trouble when In fact I have only herped with Phillip a handfull of times.
Heres where I defend Phillip. What do you really have against him? Is he more passionate about this hobby than you and has more oppurtunities and it kills you to know that he may make something of himself? Why does everyone look at Phillip as a careless handler? I have never seen Phillip even think about freehandling. If Im not mistaken, in every one of his photos with a venomous snake, he is using the best quality equipment you can buy. The same people who "jump on him" about his handling skills have a photo somewhere on this very site handling a snake in the same manner. Phillip is still only a teenager but he has worked with King Cobras,Gaboons,rattlesnakes,gile monsters,large boids,just about everything you can handle...wild alligators,etc. and he has never been harmed and he is still going strong. No one of you has the right to sit there and point fingers at me and Phillip. I have done nothing wrong. True, I have started arguments and trouble but everyone is doing that, you even made a post to stir up trouble and at the same time you are calling us immature. Look through the forums one more time and notice that I try to help people. When my name is called out, I argue right back. Why wouldnt I? I have even had someone tell me that I am too young to be handling snakes and the person that told me that was only 2 years older than me. HAHA. Am I going to sit back and only handle copperheads and hognoses until I turn 21? No way. Am I going to go buy a black mamba tomorrow just to have one? No. I am not stupid like most people assume. I have alot of common sense. Its funny when people that keep mambas and cobras etc. tell me that I am hurting the community when I dont even keep snakes. I have handling them carelessly in the past but I knew that I could get away with it then. Yes, I said that I KNEW I could. I knew that my luck would run out sometime so I quit doing it. Thats common sense. Before you say that I am wrong, ask yourself, Did he get bit? Did he learn from his mistakes? Did he post on this site and told people about the mistakes he made? People get mad when they see other people with alot of enthusiasm. I think that most of you look at me and Phillip as unguided,teenaged "kids" looking for trouble. I have never met anyone in my life that knew exactly what they wanted to do as much as Phillip. He is like 16 years old and already has good goals set and is working hard to achieve his goals. He puts alot of dedication and literally puts everything he has into his hobby so of course he will get offended when someone tells him that he is too young, or if someone tells him that he doesnt know what he is doing. Look at all of the anonymous posters who have personally attacked him. They didnt attack him in a joking fasion, they did personally attacks that were aimed at hurting his pride. I want everyone to tell me the problems that they have with me and we will see if we can work them out. I am here to listen and will not get mad at any advice you give me. Obviously I am doing something wrong so, set me in the right direction. Thank you. Jeremy.
p.s. Spongebobnopants, I didnt take offense to your post. I do understand where you are coming from. If my reply still doesnt answer your questions, clarify your argument and we will see if we can work something out. I am really not that bad of a person once you get to know me a little. Thanks :)
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