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venom versus pure muscle
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by keyz on July 19, 2005
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guns are bad in wrong hands but what of the number of near or fatalitys caused by boids and pythons and i was recently told that in America burmese were responsible for some deaths i have heard that caught round the neck and under arm a ten to twelve foot boa or especially a annaconda or retic (readily aviliable in England) can kill within three to five seconds for your neck to be broken this is poss. but a bit of common sense, These incidents may happen hots are more dangerous no doubt but a 15 foot angry burm. can really do heavy duty damage. so how can we own them? usual debate about hotsand large constrictors as a big group but lets see anyone argue with a snake twice your own body weight and a hundred or so skin piercing blades in its mouth as i have said before idiots can get hots but more idiots this side of the pond have snakes they have no idea of there potential and hence they become messed up and swapped, sold,or even released this is all what i want to stop .
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by keyz on July 19, 2005
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oh and the real question actually is are large constrictors any less dangerous than some venomoids? sorry about going on a bit of a ramble above must be the brain fade!plus im sorry if you had to read that just to find the real question down here sorry dumbass.
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by pitbulllady on July 19, 2005
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The number of fatalities by large boids in the US, and even "hot" snakes, is miniscule when compared to deaths caused by many commonly-kept, "safe" animals. As per conversation with my insurance agent, who is an old family friend and who works for one of this country's largest insurance companies, dogs, horses, and even goats and sheep cause more human injuries and deaths per year in the US than ANY snakes. Snake-related deaths or injuries, however, make news headlines all over the place, while a person dying of a ruptured spleen after being kicked by a horse doesn't. There has also never, to any knowledge I've been able to access anywhere, been any confirmed human fatality involving a Boa Constrictor, although Boas are often the first snake that comes to mind when ignorant people think of large constricting snakes, nor have I ever heard of any snake breaking someone's neck. That's not how constrictors kill prey; they kill by suffocating prey. Fatalities involving large constrictors also do not occur because the snake is "angry". Any snake that is angry or feels threatened may bite, but when snakes constrict, it is either because they mistake a human for prey, or in some cases, the person is holding the snake, and the snake fears falling, so it holds on tighter and tighter. Common sense dictates that whenever it is necessary to handle big constrictors(and I do not include Boa Contrictors in this class, since they pale in comparison of size with Retics, Burms, and African Rocks, the three species usually involved in human injuries or death among constricting snakes)at least two people should be present. Unfortunately, there is a growing lack of common sense among some animal keepers/caretakers, and the lack of common sense has long been a trademark of those who seek to ban animal ownership.
It is also foolish to compare ANY animal, any living thing, with guns. Even in the "wrong hands", a gun cannot do anything by itself, anymore than a knife, baseball bat, large rock, or other inanimate object can do anything by itself. When dealing with ANY live animal, there is always going to be a certain amount of unpredictabilty, because animals, unlike non-living objects, are constantly reacting to their environments. Animals can experience emotions and can feel "bad", just as we can. A gun cannot. It is merely a tool which a person may chose to use in an irresponsible or harmful manner, but it is still the PERSON who chooses. Guns, unlike animals, are unaffected by hunger, fear, hormones, pain, etc. I am largely confused, therefore, by your post-are you suggesting that more controls and regulations against keeping large constrictors and venomous snakes needs to be in place, so that government can protect us from ourselves?
pitbulllady
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by pitbulllady on July 19, 2005
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A "venomoid" is a snake which has had its venom glands removed altogether or rendered useless through surgery. If a snake really is a "venomoid", it is more or less harmless. It can still BITE, and depending on the size of the snake and the size of its fangs(which it still has, by the way), bites can cause pain, but it would be no more dangerous than a bite from a non-venomous species, for the most part.
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by keyz on July 19, 2005
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sorry if that all came across wrong i am in absolute agreement with most said here i just failed to get my point across but its all in whats been written as i do agree with all points renderd thanks for your opinion the "story" i heard was from a local snake keeper so as you can imagine i feel a bit stupid i just thought that given there size and strngth not boas retics etc.may possibly do this. and i apologize for my incorrect terminoligy read and learn bare with me thanks keyz.
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by elapidking81 on July 20, 2005
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I would say that a 10ft boa could kill a person just as easy as a 10 retic or burm.Just food for thought but a gun can go off by its self do to mechanical failure, or heat it is possible and it has happened many times.
shane
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