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Please read. Need opinions. Monocled Cobra 1st hot
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by YoungHerp1 on December 3, 2006
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Hey guys ive been reading my reptile magazines and i came across an artical.REPTILES all venomous issue. September 04, page 14. Writteen By
Jon O'Brian Philadelphia pennsylvainia he says
"You once recommended getting a copperhead or eyelash viper for a first hot herp. Both of those vipers strike super fast compared to cobras. I have to throw in my vote for the common monocled cobra as the top choice for that list. They're hardy and easy to handle because they're so slow. A mongoose can kill on with ease, but wouldnt stand a chance against a viper's strike."
Now I dont want hate mail or anything about this topic. I thought it was interesting. Ive had many hotts so far, big, small, a bunch of sizes. Never been close to being bit, or was bitten. If i ever come close there going to be gone for a while. After i turn 18 in may this summer, i was thinking about getting a monocled. Please let me have some of your opinions about this artical i found. thanks alot
Mike
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by Chris_Harper on December 3, 2006
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Don't take the monocled too lightly. Copperheads don't climb hooks and have prehensile tails. Monocleds do. Many people have and do survive copperhead bites without antivenom. I wouldn't take that chance with a monocle. Copperheads can cause some moderate tissue loss or the loss of the use of a finger. Rapidly treated with antivenom however, I have seen 100% recovery. One particular case that I worked, the snake stuck one fang directly into a joint on a finger. 3 months later, 100% recovery. The antivenoms available for monocles however, might be good and it might not. It depends on where you get it, how it's been stored, who made it, etc. Most monocle bites of moderate effect have significant loss of tissue, even WITH antivenom.
Bottom line: not too difficult to work with, but don't EVER underestimate a monocle. If you're bitten and you're in your front yard waiting for the ambulance, you'll start pissing your pants when you realize that you're losing your ability to breathe. Death is not a significant threat whatsoever with copperheads though.
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RE: Please read. Need opinions. Monocled Cobra 1st
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by Chris_Harper on December 3, 2006
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That I know of, no hospitals in the US store antivenom for exotic species. And most, have virtually no experience in either the medical or legal aspects of administering foreign antivenoms. When you keep exotics, your health is your business. It behooves you to acquire your own antivenom, and find a local doctor that is willing to be a part of your treatment protocol.
By the way, I suggest that people start ordering Instituto Bioclon's new African Polyvalent. For all species covered, they only needed to administer 3 to 5 vials in a study that covered 900 patients, and had only 1 allergic reaction. That particular patient however, had already received a French antivenom, so that wasn't a clear cut case of allergic reaction to the new product.
~CH
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RE: They're easy to handle because they slow???
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by 23bms on December 3, 2006
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Monocles are easy to handle because they're slow??? If that's what you think, maybe you should spend a little time around mine. Have you ever seen one in a feeding frenzy? Have you ever watched one blow across a four foot cage like lightning, straight at you - with it's mouth wide open?
Do yourself a favor. Find someone who has one and get some supervised experience. Otherwise, you're liable to be another nail in the coffin of our hobby.
jrb
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by YoungHerp1 on December 3, 2006
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Someone changed the title first off. and second this is what i mean. I didnt say that I quoted a writer. if you would have read the whole thing. Did i say that they were slow. No i didnt just read it again, or get the magazine and read it. Dont opinionize on me. Read it again, then say something about the artical.
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by Cro on December 3, 2006
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Mike, small Monocled Cobras are a lot of fun to keep, but they can be quite fast and dangerous. I would not agree at all with this O'Brian fellow, as it is not the speed of a snakes strike that is important in not getting bitten, it is using carefull husbandry techniques, and most of all, keeping your hands out of a snakes cage.
If you are wanting to keep one of them, then you need to do some work learning the proper use of a compression bandage for first aid if you are bitten, and learning who in your area could treat a bite.
This might mean contacting the doctors at your emergency hospital and letting them know that you are keeping a cobra. And it might mean obtaining anti-venom for a potential bite, or at least finding a doctor you could contact who you have supplied bite protocol information too, and have told who he can contact in case you are bitten.
Cobras are serious animals, and should be treated that way. I hope you will take the time before you get one, and make sure all the safety precautions are in place first. Then after that, have fun keeping one.
Oh, on the title of the thread thing, folks can change it if they want, it is just the nature of the site. You can always change it back on your reply.
Best Regards JohnZ
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by YoungHerp1 on December 3, 2006
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I didnt no you can change the title my bad. But i dont see why someone would. Anyway, O'brian did say that the smaller ones can be more dangerous since there smaller and more fast ect. you no. But i havent gotten one yet, im takinng my time and everything, getting experiance with my snakes i have right now.
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by Cro on December 3, 2006
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That is the right way to do it Mike. Do the reaearch and learn as much about an animal you want to keep before you get it. Have the proper caging set up first. And have the anti-venom and bite protacols set up first also.
Best Regards JohnZ
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by emtnurse on December 3, 2006
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I would be in no hurry to get any kind of naja. I have a black pac and an albino monocle baby. These are my only 2 naja's and dont want anymore. I have always kept pitvipers, cobras are a different breed of snake. The speed of these snakes are remarkable.. Fast, Fast, Fast. Dont hook well either. This is why I have 52in tongs for the black pac. Dont let your curiousity over ride your common sense. Find someone who has cobras and watch how they feed, move, and hook.. Very differnt breed of snake. Hope this helps you a little. Bryan
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