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by xvenomx on July 26, 2007
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I just returned from the philippines, and have some photos of a few snakes I haven't yet identified. I thought you guys might be able to provide some insight on their identity. How do I post these pics on here ?
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by Chris_Harper on July 26, 2007
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Upload them here - one at a time. Be sure to include when and where you photographed them.
http://www.venomousreptiles.org/libraries/upload/Snakes%20for%20Identification
CH
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by Cro on July 27, 2007
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Darrell, the "rat snake" you found is a Brown Tree Snake (Boiga irregularis).
Best Regards JohnZ
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by xvenomx on July 27, 2007
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Hey cro, don't brown tree snakes have vertically elliptical pupils , heads wider than their bodies, and enlarged rear teeth ? This snake had round pupils, a head more like a coachwhip or rat snake, and no enlarged rear teeth.
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by Buzztail1 on July 27, 2007
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This is a Brown Tree Snake (Boiga irregularis) from Guam for comparison.
Karl
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j221/Buzztail1/venomous/BTS203C20060124.jpg
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by xvenomx on July 27, 2007
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Thanks Karl, the snake I found is definately not a brown tree snake, at least not a Boiga. It was a fairly nippy little guy, clearly diurnal , and judging from where it was found, a mainly ground dwelling snake. Thats not to say it couldn't climb trees.
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by Cro on July 27, 2007
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Darrell, you are right, Boiga have vertical pupils. The photo you posted looks a lot like a juvenile Boiga from the side pattern, however because of the round pupils, it will not be that. Whatever it is, it is still not a rat snake.
JohnZ
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by xvenomx on July 27, 2007
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Well, I've never seen one of these before, and its impossible to get a real name from the locals. I found a larger, much larger DOR snake, that resembled this one, only darker. It was really mangled though.
The snake in the photo still had the ventral separations from the umbilicus, so I'm pretty sure it was a hatchling.
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by Buzztail1 on July 27, 2007
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Based on the photos that you have put up...
I would guess that the snake in question is Elaphe erythrura philippina (Reddish Rat Snake).
They are described as having "a pale reddish brown to olive anterior half of the body with a darker reddish to grayish brown posterior half, the transition in color being gradual."
The head scalation looks correct for E. e. philippina too but it is hard to tell from your photo whether there is one loreal scale with color patterning (Elaphe) or two to three scales which would make it one of the very similar looking Ptyas ssps.
The Philippines hosts Ptyas carinatus and Ptyas luzonensis. Pictures of them are hard to find but there are some out there.
Again, I am no expert on Philippine snakes but it looks like a juvenile Reddish Rat Snake to me. You might try emailing the pictures to Dick Bartlett or Wolfgang Wuster and asking them about it.
If you do get a definitive answer please post it back here so we all can learn something from your experience.
Thanks for sharing with us.
R/
Karl
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by Cro on July 27, 2007
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Darrell, the snake you have listed as Unidentified snake#2 is most likely one of the Lycodon.
Perhaps L. capucinus, or one of the other Lycodon that are found in the area.
Best Regards JohnZ
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