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by jared on January 9, 2008
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I am having some problems with the venomous reptile community and the way it has turned in recent years> I am noticing a general disregard for many buyers from a large amount of breeders posting animals for sale as certain morphs, when they are anything but. I recently asked a few for sire and dam pics to prove the lineage and lol got ZERO responses. For example, there are a LARGE number of cantils intergrades being sold on the market as various morphs and what not, some are obvious tayloriXbilineatus (thus not a morph but a hybrid) as well as certain BilineausXtayloriXcontortrix being sold. For those not aware that these are hybrids, and they purchase them as something there not, I wonder if any of these guys consider the potential lawsuits (ie false advertisment)they could be getting involved in especially in dealing with higher end animals. Now I do know some are infact proven clean bloodlines, and are in fact morphs and this does not pertain to them. I just fear this weakens the reptile community and puts clout over our reputation as a whole. Just something i have been biting my tongue about for some time.
Jared Watts
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by MoccasinMan on January 9, 2008
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Caveat emptor, buyer beware. The market benefits from an educated consumer. People will always try to get away with what they can. It's human nature. There will always be unscrupulous sellers as long as there is a market of ignorant buyers. People who don't know their animals will be taken advantage of whether its horses, hogs or snakes. If people are routinely being duped it implies an uneducated consumer. As more expertize is aquired by the market less opportunity avails for con men and thieves. We must take responsibility for ourselves and educate others to improve the situation.
Andrew
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by Rob_Carmichael on January 9, 2008
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I couldn't agree more....there are scumbags everywhere in this business and as a consumer, you better do your homework before plunking down money on high end animals (or any herp). I spend a lot of time doing background checks on folks I am considering and I always require excellent references from AZA facilities, fellow colleagues, close friends who've done business with them, vets, etc. It's too bad that there are so many bad apples but you just have to be extra careful.
Like the old saying goes, "if the deals seems too good, it probably is".
Rob Carmichael, Curator
The Wildlife Discovery Center
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by BobH on January 10, 2008
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I can't believe all the adds with het-for this and het for that. I would have to know the person well and like you see pictures of the parents before I would pay an exta $0.05 for a het-??
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by Cro on January 10, 2008
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Jared makes a very good point about all of the sudden "morph this or morph that" snakes that are turning up. While some of them are real and the result of stepped up breeding efforts, a lot are just wild caught snakes that are a bit light or a bit dark, or have a slightly abbarent pattern.
As far as Andrew's comment about letting the "buyer beware," I would disagree somewhat. While that is a good idea to follow in general business, we have a lot of young, inexperienced folks in this hobby who attend reptile shows or purchase online. They look to the dealers for knowledge, and they respect what the dealers have to say, wether the dealers are honest or not. Why is it ok for these folks to get cheated by unscrupulus dealers ? Just so that unknowledgable folk can learn a hard lesson ? That type of tough lesson could drive folks from this hobby at a time we need all the support we can get. This is a sort of surprising response from the head of NCARK who has often said that we need more support and membership in this community.
It would be far better if the experienced folk work to drive the crooks out of business. We can do that by having rules that have to be followed at reptile shows concerning safety. We can do that by questioning animals for sale that don't appear to be what they are being advertised as, wether online or at shows. We can help advise the young folks who are just starting out that there are trolls, tricksters, and scammers out there on the internet. Just saying Cavit Emptor is not what we should be telling folks who get scammed.
Best Regards JohnZ
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