|
11-14 of 14 messages
|
Previous
Page 2 of 2
|
|
RE: Moronic News Reporting !
|
Reply
|
|
by tigers9 on February 24, 2008
|
Mail this to a friend!
|
All I can say is this: security blanket can save you from cold freezing weather, but might also suffocate you to death.
Hysteric overreaction is often worse than doing nothing.
Z
===
CAISSACA wrote:
<,You may not like the conclusions, but they are based on the best data currently available. The authors of this report are in the business of trying to minimise damage to from invasive species. You don't do that by poo-pooing the potential for trouble. It is THEIR JOB to build worst-case scenarios for each case. It's called the precautionary principle - that's why cars have seatbelts and airliners have life vests. >>
|
| |
|
RE: Moronic News Reporting !
|
Reply
|
|
by richardduckworth on February 24, 2008
|
Mail this to a friend!
|
*****Check out climate charts for the northern parts of the range of molurus, like in Sichuan or the Himalayan foothills of northern India, Pakistan and Nepal. These are NOT tropical regions.*******
you mean the areas where the average annual temps are similar to those of miami? our winters here in north alabama are LONGER and COLDER that those areas of india.
it gets hotter here in the summer, but colder in the winter. it's technically not a tropical environment, but it has the necessary humidity and is above 60 degrees 94% of the year.
i still wanna see studies about brumation, where the animal's metabolism changes, the core temp changes and the activity level changes. if the 1966 article is the only thing even remotely resembling a molurus brumation study, then i have to ask WHY?
it's obvious they can survive in sub-60 degree weather for a few days at a time. they do that in the everglades. there aren't many of those days though.
like i said, TONS of assumptions, hell, the whole set of criteria is one huge assumption.
the factual basis is damn near NON-EXISTENT.
|
| |
|
RE: Moronic News Reporting !
|
Reply
|
|
by richardduckworth on February 24, 2008
|
Mail this to a friend!
|
also, again, what's at stake for guys who aren't private keepers?
nothing
what's at stake for the rest of us?
everything
|
| |
|
RE: Moronic News Reporting !
|
Reply
|
|
by CAISSACA on February 25, 2008
|
Mail this to a friend!
|
(CAISSACA)*****Check out climate charts for the northern parts of the range of molurus, like in Sichuan or the Himalayan foothills of northern India, Pakistan and Nepal. These are NOT tropical regions.*******
(RD)you mean the areas where the average annual temps are similar to those of miami? our winters here in north alabama are LONGER and COLDER that those areas of india.
(RD)it gets hotter here in the summer, but colder in the winter. it's technically not a tropical environment, but it has the necessary humidity and is above 60 degrees 94% of the year.
And you think you are the only one who has thought of that, and that the guys who did the study did not? I know it's obviously a funny concept to some people here, but scientists do go out and have a vague idea of the real world just as much as you guys. And guess what - they did look at variation through the years - they looked at monthly temperatures through the year, and looked at things like the number of months below a cerain threshold of temperature and aridity.
Studies of brumation etc. are pretty pointless if you know that the species occurs in climates with a substantial winter with cold months - and P. molurus does occur in places with average temperature for some months not much above freezing. Quote from the paper: "The 149 climate polygons from the python’s native range covered a wide range of tropical, sub-tropical, and temperate climates (Fig. 2). Indian Pythons live in places that have monthly mean temperatures of 2 - 37 ºC. Under moderate conditions of temperature, pythons appear able to routinely tolerate localities with monthly mean rainfall of 1-2000 mm/mo. Pythons live in many places with up to two consecutive months of zero recorded rainfall, but the pattern of occupied climate spaces suggests that they rarely if ever populate places where mean rainfall is less than that indicated by the octagon in Fig. 2 for more than 2 months. Similarly, they live in places with months of mean temperature as low as 2 ºC, but probably hibernate at such low temperatures." Sounds like rather more than "sub-60 degree weather for a few days at a time"....
(RD) "also, again, what's at stake for guys who aren't private keepers?
nothing
what's at stake for the rest of us?
everything "
What's at stake for native ecosystems? Potentially quite a lot.
The fact that you don't like these findings does not affect whether they are correct or not. Whether/how these findings are translated into policy is not a matter for the scientists who carried out the study of the range of P. molurus, and the fact that you and many others may not like the outcome does not make the scientists morons or whatever other terms of endearment have been used.
Cheers,
WW
|
| |
|
Email Subscription
You are not subscribed to this topic.
Subscribe!
My Subscriptions
Subscriptions Help
Check our help page for help using
, or send questions, comments, or suggestions to the
Manager.
|
