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Which of the vipers has the most potnet venom
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by dannyd on March 11, 2008
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Hi everyone,.
just a little question we thought that we would like to know.
Which of the vipers has the most potent venom?
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by Cro on March 11, 2008
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Take a look at the LD50 chart on Dr. Fry`s site and you will see a list of different venoms compared. Remember that a lot of snakes have been left off the list also.
Remember, the SMALLER the LD50 number, the more deadly the snake is. This tells you how strong the venoms are when compared drop to drop.
http://venomdoc.com/LD50/LD50men.html
Just remember though that some snakes with weaker venom, like the Western Diamond-backed Rattlesnake, can deliver a huge amount of venom in a bite, so they kill more people overall.
Hope this helps.
Best Regards JohnZ
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by jared on March 11, 2008
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Take into consideration as well that the ld50 of a bushmaster is almost equal to that of a copperhead as well and the bites (from what i understand) are not that similar.
Jared
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by jared on March 11, 2008
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For overall dangers sake, the most Dangerous vipers that i have had the pleasure of working with (just my opinion) and are Most likely to kill you are, B.asper, B.artiens, and D.russelli. All 3 are just about pleasent, very toxic, and Extremely flighty. Hope it helps.
Jared
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by Atrox788 on March 11, 2008
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According to venomdoc.com Echis carinatus (Saw Scaled Viper)is the most toxic viper and Crotalus scutuatus (Mojave Rattlesnake) is the most toxic pitviper. This is based on subcutaneous LD50 testing done by BGF.
Please keep in mind that these test are by no means 100 percent applicable to human envenomations. All it does is give us some idea. These are also out of the snakes he has sampled venom from. There could be others more toxic that he hasn't tested.
BTW, subcutaneous is referring to an injection into the underlying tissue, just bellow the outer skin layers (please correct me if I am wrong. It has been awhile since I even thought about envenomations and my memory is crappy). Most snake envenomations fall into this category.
In short, if you were a mouse who received a subcutaneous injection, based on the snakes BGF has sampled these would be the most toxic snakes of their respective families to you.
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by tj on March 11, 2008
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"Crotalus scutuatus (Mojave Rattlesnake) is the most toxic pitviper."
This is one of the many reasons I hate LD50 charts and think they are pretty much a moot point. I'd gladly take a bite from a mojave before a bite from a neuro population canebrake. Not to mention, tigris is before both, yet few, if any, fatal bites have occurred. There just is no real way to come up with a chart for humans, except to look at data from bite accounts.
I don't care how much number crunching is involved to make a mouse comparable to an adult human or how "physiologically similar" some say we are.
Seeing bushmasters on the bottom of most LD50 charts is laughable. Especially considering you're in and out of consciousness within 15 minutes and projectile vomiting in between. Let's remember we are not mice and LD50 charts have NO basis for human toxicity.
We need to start testing on people who are on death row, or child molesters. It's still lethal injection, so the moral issues should be thrown out.
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