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by boidsnake on March 29, 2008
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I was wonding if anyone can give me advise on fliping,
I mostly road with the gas prices I think fliping will be better also some advise on finding scarlet snake and
chain kings I will be herping the apalachicola this season, I WILL APPRECIATE ANY ADVIES,
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by Cro on March 29, 2008
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Gerald, as far as flipping tin and boards and things, the biggest problem in the Appalachacola area is that there is not a lot of this type of material there to find.
If you are lucky enough to find an old home place, then flipping tin and boards can indeed be good, usually up to 10:00 a.m. After that, it is often too hot, and the animals are back underground. Just remember when flipping things to put them back in the exact same place. That preserves the habitat under them. You might not find a snake today, but the same peice of tin might produce one tomorrow. The only exception to this rule that I make, is I find fire ants under a sheet of tin. If that is the case, then I will move it.
Your best bets will actually be in the many small towns outside of Appalachacola, where there are old road signs down on the ground, and old home places you can look for. Often a chimmney sitting off the road is a good indication that there might be tin roofing and boards to check.
Also, dirt roads that go back to where folks have dumped refrigerators and household trash can often produce snakes under the various things dumped there.
You mentioned the Scarlet Snake. I am not sure if you really mean Scarlet Snake, or Scarlet King Snake, which are quite different. However, both can be found on roads at night after rains. They also turn up under boards, and tin from time to time. I would suggest that if you find either of them that you take a photo and do not try to keep them in captivity. They are difficult to get to eat, and will not tolerate being handled at all. Just check them off in your field book and take a good photo and be happy that you were lucky enough to find one.
Hope this helps.
Best Regards JohnZ
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by JSargent on March 29, 2008
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john....never move a piece of tin if it has ants under it....often the best pieces have fire ants...snakes don't seem to mind the ants....the ants may even eat the mites off of snakes...i have on many occasions found kings and racers laying right next to the ant bed under a piece of tin...this year my friend found his first 5 racers under car hoods w/ ant beds....he just mentioned it to me today, how ironic...it may also have something to do w/ lizards being attracted to these pieces...just some of my observations...
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by Cro on March 30, 2008
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Jamie, I am talking about the tin sheets that have huge fire ant mounds that take up the whole underside of the tin, not a small single mound or two.
I have also found snakes under tin that had some ant mounds under there, but have never found snakes under ones that were fully covered with ants.
Best Regards JohnZ
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by AquaHerp on March 30, 2008
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John's on target.Most snakes will readliy hole up under cover with ants of most species, but when it comes to the fire ants it's a different matter.
I'm not a fan of the little bastards, although I do like ants in general.
DH
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by Cro on March 30, 2008
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Speaking of cool ants, if you ever are in the concourse of Atlanta`s Hartsfield Airport, look up at the cieling.
There are these great sculpted ants each about the size of a cat that are walking along the cieling and overhead beams.
http://travel.webshots.com/photo/2092498640051592011TbxfTN
I wish I had a few of them for my cieling, LOL !
Best Regards JohnZ
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by Cro on March 31, 2008
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Gerald, they are on roads after and during rains. Rarely they are found under tin and boards. Almost impossible to keep in captivity, as the eat things like ant eggs. But a really pretty snake to take a photo of.
Best Regards JohnZ
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