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Finally, some sanity!
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by kacz on August 14, 2008
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Please read the following story:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,403343,00.html
When the original doomsday prediction fist came out I, like most of the members on this site, found the hypothesis incredible. As it turns out it is junk science at its flagrant best, all supported by our taxpayer’s dollar. The USGS and its agents should be censured for throwing that original piece of crap research at us. I’d like to blame the press, but they were just doing their sordid best. We expect it of them. Kudos to the folks at CUNY for bringing the hysterics back to earth. It’s good to know that the polar ice caps will not melt, and the country will not be void of furry critters, due to billions of incubating pythons!
Kacz
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by Cro on August 14, 2008
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It is good to see that "Real Scientists" took an interest in that biased USGS / USFWS "research."
What is amazing is that the USGS / USFWS folks thought they could put the worthless study out there, and get it accepted. And they almost did, with the help of the sensationalism caused by the mindless news twits who published the map all over the country.
They also got support from European "scientists" who should have known better, who jumped on the band wagon, carbon footprints and global warming in hand, AlGore and Che Guevara buttons on their shirts, to support the non-science.
They talked of how great the science behind the python map was, without knowing anything about the poor quality and bias of the "research" behind it. They even criticized folks here who took early exception to the python map, saying things like they were the only ones "qualified" to understand the science behind the map. Talk about egos, LOL !
Hopefully, the good scientists will continue to publish corrections when the nit-whits come out with bad / biased "science."
Best Regards John Z
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That depends on your definition of sanity...
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by earthguy on August 15, 2008
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OK, so I agree that the USGS scientists were probably a little bit off on their assessment of the python's possible range (ok, way OFF). But that's science. [gets on soapbox] Why is it that 'science' is gospel when we agree with it, but total crap and a waste of taxpayer money when we disagree with it? Science is a PROCESS. It is a beautiful process that is occasionally (OK, usually) mucked up when the media (both 'liberal' and 'conservative'), who are experts in their own field (not the scientific one) sensationalize findings to sell newspapers or get ratings. Also, why would you NOT want to be conservative and reduce your carbon footprint? Lets assume that climate change is the greatest hoax perpetrated on the people of the United States (which, despite Senator Inhoff's assertion, it isn't). Reduction of combustion will also reduce oxides and other pollutants (Mercury) in the atmosphere. Who's against that?
One final point - your source is Fox News...the same page had an article that two Georgians and two Californians had definitive proof (a body and DNA evidence) that Bigfoot is real. The press conference should be today...
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by LarryDFishel on August 15, 2008
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Sorry Joshua, but FOX is not the "source" of either of those stories.
I think you will find that more "respectable" news outlets like CNN are gleefully covering the Bigfoot story but are suspiciously missing the python study, even though it does not seem to be much of a secret.
I wouldn't pretend that FOX in unbiased, but with every other major news outlet being biased in the other direction, I'm sort of glad it exists. (Not that I pay much attention to FOX either.)
When you spend as much time as I do watching TV at 3-4:00AM you occasionally catch the "full disclosure" segments CNN likes to run when they know no one is watching. A few years back, when there was so much talk about whether news organizations were biased, they actually had the stones to slip in a 30 second segment that concluded basically (paraphrasing) "we took a poll around the news room and found that 90% of the employees here vote democrat, but we still don't feel that we are biased". Sweet.
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by Cro on August 15, 2008
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Josh, Science "should be" a PROCESS.
The USFWS / USGS "science" was flawed and biased from the start. It was about an "agenda" to get more Government funding, and to support animal rights outfits that had got the support of some supposed "scientists."
The source is not Fox News, they just reported on the study.
The actual research can be found at:
http://www.cnah.org/pdf_files/1030.pdf
As far as things like carbon footprint, my gripe is that it has become the new "buzz word" of the enviornmental nut cases. It is great to care about pollution, and to do something about it. (Shoot and eat a cow). But we do not need to have the term "carbon footprint" used the same way that the term "global warming" was used for the last 10 years by those same enviornmental nit-whits. There are a lot of things can do to help the enviornment. I use an old fashioned clothes line to solar dry my clothes and save energy ! Do you ? I have a compost pile for kitchen scraps ! Do you ?
I am just getting sick of hearing the media hype that the "enviornmental movement" comes up with. I have no respect for folks like Sting and AlGore who fly around in private jets, and ride around in limosines, to attend rock concerts where they talk about carbon footprints, while creating so much atmospheric carbon themselves.
A real Enviornmentalist should be like Aldo Leopold, Charlie Elliott, Dr. Charles Wharton, or Dr. Eugene Odum.
Best Regards John Z
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by earthguy on August 15, 2008
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Yes, I 'solar dry' my clothes, and compost, and drive as little as possible, and kill (at least some) of my own meat, I farm a little (my salsa verde is killer!), I recycle, I grasscycle, I have an organic garden, I ride my bike as much as possible... and so on. I have a great deal of respect for most of the people on this site. All I take offense at is the lumping into onto one group of all people who care about the environment, calculate their carbon footprint, and may vote democratic as "liberal nevironmental nazi nut jobs". Al Gore may be a hypocrite, but that still wouldn't mean that he's totally wrong. The USGS study was flawed, and the process caught it. End of story? Probably not. It'll get recycled here in a few years (hey - not all recycling is good).
As far as bigfoot is concerned...we'll just have to wait and see
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by earthguy on August 15, 2008
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Oh yeah... I understand that all media outlets are biased one way or the other. And John...Aldo Leopold and Rachel Carson are two of my heroes.
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