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by tigers9 on August 29, 2008
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See how they go from DOG/puppy mill to banning purchasing any Internet any pet sale, this would ‘kill’ many reptile breeders, HSU$ is master of distraction and manipulation, give them that, I guess we now have puppy mills, bird mills and soon to have reptile mills too? They call it ‘pet ban’, but I am sure once u would red the fine print in the bill it would ban any Internet advertising of pets, is newspaper advertising next??? So where can breeders advertise after that??? Selling pets on WalMart corner is illegal already;-)
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<< The HSUS is fighting for legislation that would curb the unregulated business of Internet pet sales, but it is still advisable never to purchase a live animal online. In addition to the risk that you are dealing with a puppy, kitten, or bird mill in disguise, there is a very real humane issue in transporting animals long distances by air or truck.>>
http://humanesociety.org/pets/pets_related_news_and_events/cute_website_cruel_reality_082808.html
Cute Website, Cruel Reality
August 28, 2008
For the third time in recent months, The Humane Society of the United States coordinated the rescue of hundreds of dogs from an enormous puppy mill Aug. 23. Like too many others, Whispering Oaks Kennel in West Virginia was selling puppies over the Internet, posing as a small family breeder.
"We are a home based kennel," the breeder's website stated. "Our dogs get the best of care. They are pre-spoiled and come with a written health guarantee."
But behind the elegant kennel name, the cute website, and the empty promises, lay an enormous puppy mill where nearly 1,000 dogs and puppies were confined continually to cramped wire cages, often going without food or water in the sweltering summer sun. Far from "pre-spoiled," most of the dogs and puppies had had little if any human interaction.
Click for a larger view of the Whispering
Oaks Kennel website.
Whispering Oaks Kennel. ©The HSUS/Milani
The grim discovery came when The HSUS and about 50 people from humane organizations across the country converged on the Lyles, Tenn. facility to help rescue the animals, effectively taking part in what has been named the largest puppy mill rescue in Tennessee state history.
Cruel Reality
The W.Va. raid is the third recent bust on a puppy that sold puppies primarily over the Internet. Earlier this summer, The HSUS rescued almost 700 dogs from a puppy mill in Lyles, Tenn., that sold puppies online under the kennel name Pinebluff Puppies.
A kennel in Maine that called itself J'Aime Kennel sold its puppies through classified websites as well as on its own site. When The HSUS helped rescued approximately 250 dogs from J'Aime last summer, many of the dogs were found suffering from sarcoptic mange, a contagious disease; Giardia, a parasite transmissable to humans; and other disorders. Many of them spun in circles continually—a symptom of living for years in a cage.
Online Breeder Networks
People who purchase the puppies from such facilities are often fooled by online "breeder networks," which are really just advertising sites. As a result, they often receive a sick or dying puppy, while also supporting a cruel industry.
"Complaints pour in to The HSUS every week from puppy buyers who have been duped by deceptive websites or ads, and end up with a sick or dying puppy," says Kathleen Summers, deputy director for The HSUS Stop Puppy Mills campaign.
"We encourage pet lovers never to buy any animal online. There are puppy mills, kitten mills, bird mills and more, and most of their ads and websites are indistinguishable from those of responsible breeders. There is no way to know if a breeder is responsible simply by viewing a website. You must visit an animal welfare organization, shelter, or a responsible breeder in person.
If you visit a breeder, make sure to see where the mother dog is living to ensure that she is living indoors as a member of the family, not in a cage or in any area you are not permitted to see, said Summers.
Curbing Internet Pet Sales
The HSUS is fighting for legislation that would curb the unregulated business of Internet pet sales, but it is still advisable never to purchase a live animal online. In addition to the risk that you are dealing with a puppy, kitten, or bird mill in disguise, there is a very real humane issue in transporting animals long distances by air or truck.
"These are baby animals that need supervision and care. They shouldn't be ordered online like a DVD or a sweater," says Summers.
The following stories are just a few that Summers has received in recent weeks from across the U.S.:
• Valentine Damien of Chicago, Ill., thought he was dealing with a small home breeder when he purchased a puppy after seeing an online classified ad. Only after his new puppy nearly died of a respiratory infection did Damien suspect something was wrong. He called The HSUS and gave them the name of the seller. He then learned that his puppy actually came from a kennel in Minnesota believed to house more than 1,000 dogs. The kennel’s owner had recently been charged with practicing veterinary medicine without a license for performing do-it-yourself surgeries on her dogs.
• Anna Sanchez of San Antonio, Texas, purchased a Bulldog puppy from a breeder in Tennessee after viewing the breeder's website. There, the breeder claims to adhere to a "breeder's code of ethics" and proclaims herself an expert on Bulldogs. But within 48 hours the dog Anna ordered was diagnosedwith Demodectic mange. The mange and related skin infections required six weeks of expensive care and treatment. When contacted, the breeder refused to respond or reimburse Sanchez for the treatments.
• A law enforcement officer in California purchased a Boxer puppy over the Internet from a "breeder" in Texas. The puppy who arrived was malnourished and suffering from diarrhea. The next morning the puppy was rushed to an emergency veterinarian, where she was diagnosed with Parvovirus, a serious and often fatal intestinal infection that is contagious to other dogs. The puppy survived, but the buyer paid more than $3,800 in vet bills to save her life.
Rescue or Adopt
The best way to get a new pet is not to purchase one at all—but to visit a reputable animal shelter or rescue group, where many dogs, cats, rabbits, and other animals are awaiting adoption into loving homes. If you do choose to visit a breeder, always make sure to screen your breeder in person and. There is no shortcut to avoiding a puppy mill.
For more information on choosing the right dog, adoption, finding a good breeder and more, see our Puppy Buyer's Guide. For more informaion on puppy mills, visit our Stop Puppy Mills website.
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by Cro on August 29, 2008
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You will not Stop Puppy Mills by banning advertising on the internet. The folks involved will continue to operate, and will use other outlets to advertise, such as news papers.
To Stop Puppy Mills, you need to pass Legislation in the States involved, that will be inforced by the County and State Animal Control Offices, the Departments of Agriculture or Commerce in those States.
That way, the small, indipendent dog and cat and bird breeders, who operate mom and pop business, will be able to still advertise.
Even then, it is purchasers responsibility to check up on the breeder, and to go there in person to pick out a pet, and to see the facilities that animal was raised in. They should demand references and make phone calls to folks who have done business with the breeder.
Perhaps even the AKC could become involved with some sort of breeder certification.
As usual, the PETA and HSUS folks are going about things the wrong way, in an effort to close down all online pet sales, instead of trying to shut down sells from the tiny number of Sleaze Bags who operate the Puppy Mills.
But, what else is new ?
Best Regards John Z
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by tigers9 on August 29, 2008
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what is your definition of a 'puppy mnill'?
Once u start thinking about it deeper, it is just another AR slogan to turn dog insdustry breeders against each other.I am on dog elists, and even they can not agree on clear definition of a puppy mill.
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by tigers9 on August 29, 2008
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PS: to bring it on herp topic, at what point would a reptile breeder be considered a 'reptile' mill? More than 100 snake babies per year? More than 2 pairs of breeding snakes? Just want to make you think, how woudl u define puppy and reptile mill?
Should the number of snakes/dogs even mater as long as u r taking great care of them???
AR are good making people repeat emotionally catchy slogans and make them to STOP thinking rationally by using emotionally charged claims.
Think: when AR talk about puppy mills, they show many cages with dogs, now think about how snakes/reptiles are bred, stacked by hundreds in plastic shoe boxes on racks, don't u think that will be next on AR agenda as reptile mill? How many on thsi list/forum would qualify?
NOT attacking anybody here,i am just being a devils advocate, trying to draw parallels.
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by Cro on August 29, 2008
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Z, I was involved in the pet business many years ago.
I have seen the sick animals that the Puppy Mills produce. At one time there were several Doctors Pet Centers in Atlanta, who sold only animals from mills. The animals were sick and many died. Those pet centers owned the puppy mills. Eventually, they were shut down by the GA Department of Agriculture, which was a very good thing.
As far as I am concerned, people keeping 250 to 1000 dogs are running puppy mills, and shoudl be shut down. There is no way they will be able to keep that many dogs in healthy conditions.
On the other hand, lets say someone has a champion male Vizsla, and perhaps 5 females from champion lines maximum. Those could produce about 50 puppies a year, and, although that is a lot, if it was a full time business, could be handled by a retired couple and a couple of hired hands, as a full time business, as long as they had the acerage that these athletic dogs need. They would be able to give that many dogs the attention they need, and find good homes for all 50 of them each year. And they would make a fair amount of money doing that. That is the type of online business that should be considered the maximum size, and still not be considered a puppy mill. 100 dogs should be the absolute maximum for a breeding facility, unless the facility can pass some very, very stringent inspection.
As far as folks running snake mills, that is a bit different, as snakes do not require the same conditions as do dogs and cats or exotic birds. Still, I do not like to see the outfits with rack after rack of cages, who captive produce several thousand snakes each year. However, when snakes are produced like that, that is thousands of snakes that are not removed from wild populations, and not imported. If the breeder has enough help, and cares for the animal, then he can offer quality reptiles to the pet trade and can offer animals that are established feeders, and parasite free. Those animals will make much better pets than newly imported snakes. Folks breeding dogs, cats, and birds, are usually not removing animals from the wild to sell (some birds are the exceptions). Some folks selling reptiles are removing animals from the wild. That is a problem.
There are still large numbers of reptiles being imported from the wild, and these are being sold to the pet trade by folks who only care about making money. That type of importation I would love to see shut down. It really is not needed, as most snakes can be reproduced in captivity now days. I think the importers should import only limited numbers of some of the more rare animals, in hopes that breeding populations of those animals can be established in this country, which will help protect the rapid destruction of some of these reptiles in the native habitats, due to logging, creation of agriculture, eco trade development, and industry moving to countries with cheaper tax bases. Those rare animals should make it to Zoos and advanced private keepers who can keep the species going.
Sorry for rambling so much over several topics.
Best Regards John Z
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by tigers9 on August 29, 2008
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Hey cro, u r not rambling, I am enjoying this exchange.
You are asking/wishing for the situation in the herp sector we already have in exotic cat sector: all big cats (except maybe few small species cat individuals like occasional caracal, etc..) are captive bred and born in the USA, even the majority of imports are captive bred in Europe or Africa.
But to AR it is not good enough that captive breeding in the USA reduced the demand on wild LIVE (aka no body parts) exotic cats to zero, which helps preserve wild populations, well, at least reduce the demand on wild ones for pet/exhibition, the issue to AR is captivity.
As long as we keep animals in captivity we r abusers to them and AR will use any angle that brigns them money/victory.
So be prepared to deal with the irrational/emotional part of the issue of keeping exotics even if all herps for sale are bred in USA. Even if my tiger cage was the size of TX, AR would not be happy because it would still be a captive ‘cage’.
Plus with herps you have than ‘invasive species’ and snakes moving to California crap to deal with. SIGH
Z
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