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by Voided37 on October 3, 2008
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Infection maybe?
As another said, psychosomatic reaction?
Lots of interesting answers, that's for sure.
Yet for now it would seem interbreeding is the weakest possibility by far.
Cool read with alot of interesting answers though.
Thanks.
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by choppergreg74 on October 3, 2008
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There is a possibility he was bitten by a water snake or a hognose snake. And had some sort of reaction to the enzymes in their mild toxic saliva. Water snakes can appear black I have seen snakes that appeared black and then upon closer inspection found a faint pattern.
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by tj on October 4, 2008
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"Please take care and be civil when explaining why various snakes "cannot" interbreed"
Hopefully, someone else might remember the sistrurus X agkistrodon or sistrurus X crotalus cross that someone posted pictures of a long time ago. Chris H or Karl? I can't remember if it was here or not and I don't remember exactly what genus and species they were. It was a very cool snake, though, and I'm not even a big fan of hybrids.
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by Cro on October 4, 2008
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Tom, I seem to remember the photos of that cross also, but can't quite recall when or where.
Best Regards John Z
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by FSB on October 4, 2008
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This is one of the most common myths I have run across in rural VA and NC, only I usually hear that it's black rats and rattlesnakes that are "interbreeding." I always thought the idea came from someone having seen a black rat vibrate its tail and not realizing that many types of snake do this. I think that in general, such myths are borne of ignorance and a desire to instill fear, which some people love to do... just bored, I guess.
The thing is, human beings are more closely related to gorillas and chimps than black rat snakes are to either rattlesnakes or copperheads. Humans and apes are at least in the same family... Crotalids and Colubrids are obviously not. Lay people just do not realize what a truly diverse lot snakes are... they mostly assume that a "snake is a snake."
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by FSB on October 4, 2008
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PS... about the reaction to the black rat snake bite. I have also heard one person tell me earnestly that they had had a similar experience, w/ swelling, etc. I wonder if perhaps some people may have an individual allergic reaction to the snake's saliva? I know that in my own experience, black rat snake bites have typically vanished by the next day without any treatment at all.
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by ChuckHurd on October 4, 2008
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Bart and i successfully breed out cotton mouth x copperhead hybrids this year. we now have 2 second generation hybrids off them. so, there is not question these hybrids were fertile.
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by twicebitten on July 23, 2014
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I was just looking up regarding the claim that black king snakes and copperheads crossbreed. I did not think so, but some things do happen.
I noticed that for some odd reason you are deliberately crossbreeding venomous snakes? WHY?! What is the point? If they get loose in the wild, do you have any idea how much trouble you cause other people? There are idiots releasing anacondas, boas, and pythons in the Florida Everglades. [And other idiots in places like NYC subways releasing gators]. I think it ought to be a criminal offense. And some nutcase let a python/boa type loose in a NJ lake recently. They are still trying to catch it.
I have been bitten by copperheads twice by accident. Both times I spent several days in the hospital. I nearly died this last time due to an anaphylatic reaction, and spent more than a day in ICU. I had to have surgery on the bite wound to remove necrotic tissue. They wanted to give me some "new antivenom" to counteract the reaction. NO THANKS! I am not brave, but I am terrified of another anaphylatic reaction and the LAST thing I need is a new allergy. Thankfully, the wound has healed up.
Are you guys really scientific minded, or just dummies fooling around with poisonous snakes? Sorry, it is difficult to tell from some of the comments.
I am not a snake lover. I will tolerate a HARMLESS snake at a respectable distance, and the farther away the better.
A few days after my most recent accident with that no good copperhead, another huge copperhead came up on my front porch like he owned the place. He found out differently.
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by choppergreg74 on July 24, 2014
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Years ago I bought a summer housing upstate N.Y. and all these hillbillys up there kept telling me about these poison adders that make you sick and swell up but don't kill you. I being a snake enthusiasts. Knew there was no such thing. So I went on my own mountain monster quest. Finding the Poison Adder. Turned out to be Eastern Hognose snakes which are mild venomous rearranged snakes which feed on toads which are also toxic. People can have reactions and swell up or get some effects from snakes like that. It is the same wit enzymes in some Nerodia saliva which prevents blood from coagulating. Remember rear fanged snakes are not fully understood. Until the 1950s boomslangs were sold in the pet trade as harmless.
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by BlackMamba88 on July 24, 2014
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That's exactly what I was thinking the entire time I was reading this forum. Many snakes considered "non-venomous" are rear fanged venomous. Even if the venom isn't that toxic if one for those rear fangs hit you might have some reaction even anaphylactic shock.
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