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list of albino rattlesnakes
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by JSargent on December 12, 2008
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this is a list of the albino rattlesnakes i know exsist and are in breeding programs...
western diamondback- t negative and t positive
prairie- t negative and t positive
baja- t positive
panamint-t positive
mojave- t negative
blacktail- t negative
w. massasagua- t negative
southern pacific- t negative
canebrake- t positive
timber- t positive
eastern diamondback- t negative
neo-tropical- t positive
it would be nice to see a serpentarium w/ all the venomous morphs housed with a het mate...if i ever hit the lottery, that would be my dream build... to bad most serpentariums think people just wanna see the normal phase....
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by JSargent on December 12, 2008
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tyrosinase negative- lacking tyrosinase- yellow and white rattlesnakes...
tyrosinase positive- having tyrosiase yet incapible of sythesizing melanin- carmel, yellow and white snakes-typically called carmel albinos...
tyrosinase- the enzyme allowing the sythesis of melanin....
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by Rob_Carmichael on December 12, 2008
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Well, I guess I'm one of those serpentariums who thinks that the general public wants to see the normal phases....you can't beat what nature created. When you look at the normal phases of many rattlesnakes, their subtle beauty are absolutely amazing. We have over 25 species on exhibit (will soon increase to 35) - all normals except for one xanthic culminatus. EVERYONE who comes into our exhibit hall are blown away by the "normal" phases of rattlesnakes - these are just normal people w/very little knowledge about rattlesnakes. Show them an ivory white speckled rattlesnake from the Tinejas Mountains and you'll see peoples' eyes buldge out of their head....you won't find any albino coming close to their beauty that was shaped by environmental cues. I've seen too many "WOW" exhibits where the owners or curators simply want to make peoples' jaws drop w/out really hitting home the message of conservation (and most importantly, conservation of habitat). These commercialized exhibits miss the mark in terms of education. In my opinion, showing a bunch of albinos and genetically inbred animals doesn't seem like the kind of message we want to portray but it might make for a neat temporary exhibit - "Poison Eye Candy" - I'm sure that would attract some interesting folks to the exhibit. I'm sure I'm the minority but something just irritates me with the craze to produce something "new".
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by Cro on December 12, 2008
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Well, I think I would be somewhere in between what I would want in my serpentarium.
Snakes with normal colorations would be well represented, however, I would also make room for displaying some mutations that happen in nature.
Things like an albino cottonmouth and a normal cottonmouth would be very educational.
And a few of the albino rattlesnakes along side of the normal coloration rattlesnakes would be fun to have on display. But I would limit this to only two or three.
I would probably put up a display with photos showing some mutations that happen in nature, but would not have any designer or trade name highly inbred snakes on display at all.
And I would never display any of the albino, or sunset cobras. I do not find those snakes attractive at all.
Best Regards
John Z
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by agkistrodude on December 12, 2008
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I have to agree Rob, all the albinos and different "morphs" are fine, I don't knock them, but mother nature produced the best in the "normals". An albino rattlesnake of any species looks pretty cool, and I know they're rare in nature, but the natural look tops them all in my eyes. Marty
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by JSargent on December 13, 2008
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i believe all the venomous viper morphs out there came from nature....except for the albino melanistic WDB....and i said put an albino on display w/ a het....so the public can see the beauty in the normal and the albino phase....
rob would you post a pic of the ivory white speckled...there were beautiful pink ones at the columbia show....
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by Buzztail1 on December 13, 2008
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The issue of albinos, stripes, etc is certainly one of personal taste.
However, imagine buying a field guide, say Audubon's, or Peterson's, and INSTEAD of the normal - what you will actually see in the wild - picture, they put in a beautiful albino (or some other not common morph/phase/whatever).
Is that helpful to the general public?
I really think it is more hurtful than helpful.
It is hard enough convinving people that there is a difference between Water Snakes and Water Moccasins without having to explain that they all don't look like the pictured albino in their field guide.
This also applies to zoos with albino exhibits.
San Diego has an albino Burmese Python on exhibit. A beautiful snake to be sure but certainly not representative of the wild population.
So, I would have to say that if a displaying institution (zoo/serpentarium/etc) has the room and financial capability to display the natural animal AND the oddity - great display opportunity! But if they can only display one animal - the education benefit of displaying the normal animal could not be overstated.
Just my personal opinion.
R/
Karl
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by Cro on December 13, 2008
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Karl brings up an excellent point. Photos of albino snakes are already being used in field guides.
A good example is the new book Amphibians and Reptiles of Georgia, by John Jensen, Carlos Camp, Whit Gibbons, and Matt Elliott. (Overall, and Excellent Book)
One of the five photos of Timber Rattlesnakes features Jason Clark's beautiful Albino. While I never tire of seeing that great looking little Timber (Canebrake), I wish they had explained that it is a very, very rare mutation that might be a one in a million thing.
I am afraid that many people will think from the photos that the animal is a common color phase of the Timber Rattlesnakes. They do not mention in the text, or in the glossary, anything about what an Albino is, they just put the photo in there with the other Timber photos, without any comment.
I guess that they assume that everyone will know what an Albino is, and that it can turn up in Any snake, and just how rare it is ???
As far as Zoo and Serpentarium exhibits, those places should make an effort to have Educational Displays or Cage Labels that clearly explain what a snake with a mutation is, and how it differs from a normal colored animal.
And they should Never put one on display all by itself. If it is going to be there, it is Essential that a Normal Color Phase Individual is also on display, so that people can see the difference.
Best Regards
John Z
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