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Looking for updated bite info on Crotalus lepidus
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by GaryOrner on December 14, 2008
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Crotalus lepidus lepidus
I am going through all my protocals and need any new info on bites from lepidus. PDF files are fine. I just print them out and put them in my 3 ring binders.
Stories are fine but I need them to be true stories. I would love to have any doctor reports if there are any.
Thanks
Gary
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by Cro on December 14, 2008
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Gary, if someone does come through with lepidus information, how about sharing it here.
While I can not keep lepidus here in Georgia, they have always been one of my favorite rattlesnakes, and I love to read any information that turns up about them.
I know that there have been several near fatal bites in the past from these animals, and that there have been bites that only caused mild reactions.
It would be very interesting to know if those severe bites were the direct result of the venom, or were more related to allergic sensitization and anaphalyctic shock.
Best Regards
John Z
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by GaryOrner on December 14, 2008
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I will share the info for sure. This has been the hardest to get info on of all the venomous I keep. like you said I hear stories of bad bad bites and then some that seems as if they are not that bad.
Really fun species to keep too. I lost my Typus Protocal and I am putting another together. I thought why not update all my protocals.
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by viandy on December 16, 2008
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A friend of mine had a lepidus bite approx 2003. Sorry there are no names, but he is publicity shy.
The narrative: some years ago, through personal error, I was nailed on the left thumb with a full, double-needle, unmetered bite by an adult female klauberi. I immediately secured the animal, removed my wedding ring and watch, bit and sucked the site as best I dared, and headed upstairs. Within fifteen minutes the physical pain was joined by a very curious fizzy ion-exchange feeling on (felt like above, actually) the upper surface of my tongue- - almost like a selenium-based effervescence. This progressed rapidly to an urgent need to evacuate my colon. When I stood up afterwards and headed for the bed, I never made it. My wife the doc said I hit the floor like a bag of dirty laundry, that I seized, and that my eyes rolled back. I joke that by the time I came to, she had called two old boyfriends and a lawyer, but it did indeed scare the bejeezus out of her, and she's a medtoid. The extreme hypotension and blackout was the scary part- - all else after that was the progression of envenomation symptoms, and then recuperation. As expected, the site turned nasty and the arm blew up, blood blebs on the thumb and hand and all that, but I was still by then in full possession of all faculties, particularly chagrin. A call to a plurally-bitten friend at a serpentarium gained the info that if the thumbnail could be squeezed into blanching, and the blood (and color) then returned, all was relatively OK. Antibiotics and antivenin in the ER (two vials, some hours later- - woefully little and woefully late) were administered, I was admitted and the arm suspended. My contact's advice was to ignore the cosmetics as long as the circulation was OK; that the site would then later debride itself and all below would again appear normal, and so it has. Interestingly, though the thumb appears normal to the eye years later, it contains less "innards" than formerly- - it's a good bit squishier than its fellow on the other hand, and still has a significant loss of tactile ability. Of note to the reader: I'm neither small, unhealthy nor inactive, and yet this little lady had me out cold and on the floor within a half-hour or so. Per my wife, I was "down" for less than five minutes, but down I indeed was. Possibly also of interest, the bite was not a punitive nip, but a full-bore shot from a very frightened new arrival- - she gave it everything she had.
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by theemojohnm on December 16, 2008
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That is VERY interesting. Thanks for posting!
I too have an interest in this species. They are very cool little rattlers for sure.
Take Care,
~John Mendrola.
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by GaryOrner on December 17, 2008
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Thanks so much for the post! That is going to help a lot in my protocal book.
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by viandy on December 18, 2008
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I'm glad to post it. The only good thing about a ven bite is what we can learn from it.
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by AquaHerp on December 20, 2008
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C. lepidus bites are actually a nasty expreience indeed. A keeper at Houston Zoo took a brutal bite from one maybe two years ago.
Larry Lemon at the Abilene Zoo has some notes on a lepidus bite that happened there back in the 70s. (In the file cabinet at the old herp building, Larry). Definately not a serpent you want hanging from any appendage.
DH
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