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Captive born vs wild cought
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by pictigaster1 on December 14, 2008
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There has been a bit of controversy in regards to morphs.I am so sick that if the native snake does not come from the same 100 yards I do not breed them. Lepidus Pictigaster Klaberi Alterna Celinops and a few others like subocs.And other sky island species.The only exception is the same mountain.In regards to non native I can only do what I can with what I get.I was just wondering how others feel about this.If others out there like to try to produce what nature would have any way.A lep from say south pecos would of never bred a upton snake....Thanks .ARCHIE....
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by pictigaster1 on December 14, 2008
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My other question is how do you feel about wild caught snakes in general .At what point do we stop useing wild snakes for our own purpose.Do we have an amount that is to much.At what point do we stop useing wild caught snakes to outbreed, to keep from haveing cornsnake or leusistic texas rat type problems.If we want to produce what nature makes then it seems to me that a continual harvest is unavoidable.Or we end up creating mutts that, most of us say we dont want,yet most of us have.What is the make up of a designer snake,if such truely exist. What is the criteria for a snake to be called designer or locality.If we breed for a certain locality and every one wants that locality then has that not become designer,
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by Rob_Carmichael on December 15, 2008
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An important point here is that you are breeding for the pure joy of breeding and working with these snakes. They are not part of a well designed conservation management program to save an endangered species. These are snakes that I'm assuming are for the purpose of supplying hobbyists with healthy offspring. In that case, it really doesn't matter and you should enjoy your hobby. But, I do think its important that even as hobbyists that lineages are well documented - much like what you see with the high end chondro breeders where things are pretty sophisticated. As far as plucking animals from the wild for our own self serving needs, that really boils down to a philosophical argument. The captive gene pool is fairly diverse with many N.A. crotalines and I think we do need to be careful in not overcollecting. In some cases, it's warranted particularly if animals are being collected in areas that are bound to be destroyed due to development. But, I've seen many people who literally collect every single animal they come across and I think that's wrong in every sense of the word. It's one thing to collect for a specific project/purpose that might benefit the greater herp community. But to just rampantly collect animals for the sole purpose of commercialization, well, I think its wrong.
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by pictigaster1 on December 15, 2008
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Thanks Rob you always have very strong and reliable answers.Any snakes I breed would not be for very many hobbyists.I sell very few snakes any more ,it is just for my own pleasure.I would rather give neonates to a friend than sell to most people..Keep what I like and only what I like.I thought more people would chime in on this topic.I guess not.
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by AquaHerp on December 21, 2008
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Rob said it well. If two snakes are being bred for the sake of placing offspring into the trade; I don't see the locality being a big issue. I breed a few species that I could not give you the exact origin for the dam and sire, such as my mangrove breeders. The best I can do is vouch for the species.
Now, if the snakes are to be a part of a bigger plan, such as a focused conservation program or toxin research, the specifics become more rigid.
It's the whole sibling to sibling thing that drives me up a wall!!!!!
Merry Christmas folks!
DH
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