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by CharlieO on February 5, 2009
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Z,
Please don't make the mistake of thinking that anyone on either side has fooled me. I know the language of politics all too well.
My point is this, the AR movement grew out of concerns ordinary, decent people had about the treatment of animals and their interactions with humans (and the surrounding community). If you lose sight of this simple fact, then you have lost the war.
Assuming your foe is simply evil and only wanting to spread misinformation puts you in a purely defensive mode which will never win more than a few battles.
If you want to actually accomplish something, show how keeping exotic animals enriches the community. Bob and Sally Smith aren't going to care a bit about your right to keep cats if they believe their 5 year old daughter is in danger as a result.
If you want to win them over, you've got do more than cite statistics and probabilities; show them how your animals are A) kept securely (first and foremeost to Bob and Sally), comfortably and humanely, B) an incredible educational resource for their daughter (a chance to experience an animal she will almost certainly never see otherwise), C) help save these animals from complete extinction and D) any other benefit you can show.
Explain that keeping these animals is far more than a right, it is a privilege extended to but a few souls who genuinely care about them; show compassion for those who voice fears and concerns and a desire (not just a willingness) to out (and oust) those few individuals who would put others at risk.
When you can set aside your own emotions and do these kinds of things, then, and only then, will you have a chance of winning the war and defeating poor legislation.
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by tigers9 on February 5, 2009
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CharlieO, you finally put me in a point where i just have to say it as it is, no sugar coating, since under all that sugar there still would be a brown substance:
I am very conservative my personal life, but don’t dictate others how to live their lives.
I live in NV, in the county where prostitution is legal. If my man went there, he would be a castrated history; I am very faithful one on one person.
However, I don’t feel I have a right to dictate to other couples what to do in their privacy, so I 100 % support the right of legal brothels to exist.
Same with exotics, as long as the FACTS suggest there is no public safety issues, the people with brown stained underwear need to back off. Gee, if they worry about their unsupervised kid being eating by tigers (geee, supervise your damn kids), then I worry about their unsupervised kid setting my house on fire or stealing a gun and killing me or my animal kids, or their kid driving while high on drugs and killing or maiming me, Which one is more likely in REAL life scenario, getting killed by tiger or hot snake or being run over by drunken teenager?
Z
PS: My community knows my animals are safe, humanely kept and not a public danger
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by CharlieO on February 5, 2009
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Z,
I don't disagree with your sentiments. It is your tactics that I find faulty...
Whenever I am faced with a situation regarding personal rights I remember something my mother passed down to me many years ago..."Your rights end where my nose begins." Basically, I try to realize that my rights are dependent upon recognizing and respecting the rights of others. When we realize that for most people, keeping exotics is *perceived* as a potential safety issue for them, then we can understand that their motivation is to protect their noses. What we have to show them, in tangible ways, is that their fears are unfounded.
Instead of fighting against the AR groups, outflank them...
Before they come around, show people how they are safe, show them how keeping your animals benefits the community and the world at large. That way, when an AR group comes to town, *they* face the uphill battle, not you...
It boils down to outthinking the opposition, anticipating their moves and making moves that they *don't* anticipate you making...
Be smarter than the other guy, but *always* believe that he is smarter than you; that way you will never underestimate your opponent.
FWIW, I have never thought your animals were kept in anything less than the best possible conditions. Nor have I ever doubted your devotion to being a safe and respsonsible guardian for them...
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by CharlieO on February 6, 2009
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Z,
I wanted to send a short followup...
I read back through the Rexano position statements and noticed your opposition to the term "guardian."
I wanted to let you know that I had posted my comment before I saw that and my use of the term was not intended to offend, rather I used it to denote someone who is responsible for the health, welfare and well-being of another (in this case, your cats). Please accept what was intended to be a compliment as such and I apologize for any offense that may have been generated.
Charlie O.
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by tigers9 on February 6, 2009
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Hey CharlieO, no offense taken regarding the term ‘guardian’. I don’t care what people call their pets in personal life, but legally they need to stay property.
If animals are no longer property, a farmer cannot sell us meat and animal products, anybody can come to your house, take your dog because supposedly the dog telepathically told them he wanted to leave you…if animals are property and somebody takes them, it is stealing.
Now to the other stuff about where whose nose begins;-)
People need to keep their noses at my property line, no further, that is trespassing.
Think about it how it is done in the court of law, innocent until proven guilty…OJ anyone?
So why should the approach be any different with exotic ownership, why are we guilty until proven innocent, why do we continually have to prove negative, that our animals are not a public safety issue and will not be a public safety issue in the future???We r not psychics. Why do we have to keep proving ourselves all the time?
Why should my personal animals have to be benefit to the community? They are my personal pets, animals are property, and constitution guarantees us property rights, why do I have to make my personal property benefit to the others? And get nothing in return???
This is falling for AR propaganda and ignoring the big picture, US constitution., that is my problem, too many our blinded not to see the big picture and the dangerous path this is taking, (out of the fear AR are so successful instilling in them).
If u buy a new motorcycle, do you have to prove you will never have an accident and your motorcycle will be a community benefit???
Forget about the small picture, the type of property (animals), concentrate on the big picture, loss of property rights, that is where I am coming from and that is where I disagree with you, I shouldn’t have to prove anything if I am innocent.
Some local bans start out of fear if/when incidents happen and should be dealt locally witch s they often are. But for AR to take small isolated local incident and turn it into sate wide or federal ban is crazy, un-American
Z
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