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RE: To keep or not to keep? That is the question.
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by Rob_Carmichael on April 1, 2009
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It's a tough situation. Without having connections it will be a difficult task. The key is to project yourself in a serious, mature and knowledgeable manner. My recommendation is to find out who the key people are and call them directly. None of this email crap - show them you are serious by taking the time to call them, introduce yourself and if possible, set up a meeting. Show them your set up, safety protocols, letters of recommendations, anything that will make a strong case for you. If you don't, they'll assume you are some yahoo from the hills and you will not be welcome with your pets.
If that doesn't work, as Karl said, that's life and you just have to roll with it for now. Maybe there are some neat non venomous herps you have been wanting to work with. Or, perhaps there are some venomous species that fall through the cracks such as some of the vine snakes (Oxybellis, Ahoutula, etc.), mussuranas, maybe even Philodryas. There are quite a few that are not listed and for the most part, would never be questioned as they are not considered medically significant.
Hope this helps.
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by Cro on April 1, 2009
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Jerine, I have taken a look at the MA Wildlife Laws, and they have several classes of wildlife permits.
If you look at:
http://www.mass.gov/dfwele/dfw/regulations/cmr/cmr_200.htm#212
It would appear that you might be able to get a permit, if you can prove the animals are not pets, but are for scientific or educational purposes. Perhaps, you could start a sideline educational business using reptiles. They list permits for animal rehabilitators and for roadside zoos or game farms. They also require a insurance bond.
I also tried to find exotic wildlife regulations for Connecticut, without much success. Like many game and fish websites, it is poorly designed and difficult to use. They did mention Nature Centers, Zoos, Scientific Collections, and Wildlife Rehabilitator Permits, but I could not find the Permit Forms, or the Regulations. Those often have to be researched in the State Legislature, to find the exact wording of Game and Fish Laws.
I would suggest that you call the Game and Fish office for both states, and request that they send you copies of the regulations and application forms for exotic wildlife. Do not tell them the animals are pets, as that will get you nowhere. Tell them you want to open a nature center or rehab center, or do scientific research or education courses. Once you have copies of the exact regulations and application forms, you will have a much better idea if you have a chance to make something work.
Just because a state has a permit system, does not mean that they will issue you a permit. If you know folks in the Wildlife office, they might be able to help. Good Luck !
Best Regards
John Z
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by ViperJ on April 1, 2009
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Thanks for your help everyone. Keep it coming. In the mean time I'm going to look into all of the. And you are absolutely right about states having permit system but not having to issue them. Thats what I have been hearing about MA. BUt we'll see.
I also was thinking of doing something educational but I'm not sure how I could justify using exotic venomous animals especially without getting a place other then my basement to put them. Anyone got any ideas?
Thanks again.
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by ViperJ on April 4, 2009
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Thanks so much Cro. That link you provided gives me hope. Now I just have to figure out how convince them that this is for educational purposes. I am in the process of creating a program geared more toward inner city youth and high school students of all social upbringings. I have done some programs in the past for local community centers and they went really well. They were designed for children from the grades of 5-7. We even did a pre/post to see what the children learn and if they the program had increased their desire to learn more about reptiles. It went really well. I'm sure I could use that information in my quest to attain a permit.
Thanks again everyone for all your help. Keep those great comments coming.
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by Cro on April 4, 2009
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One of the best things you could do, would be to try to find someone in those states who allready has a permit, and is doing similar reptile shows.
Then, buy them lunch, and pick their brain about all the hoops that they had to go through to get a permit.
Advise from someone allready there can prove to be extremely usefull.
Keep us informed as how the search goes.
Best Regards
John Z
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