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by AquaHerp on January 28, 2010
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The broth is a good bet as Randal said.
Yes, mangroves do rest much of the time with the chin slightly tucked in.
I am assuming that the snake has a nice dark place to retreat to during the day? I only have one that prefers to stay out in the open. She's pushing 8 feet so she can do as she pleases!
DH
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by lanceheads on January 28, 2010
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John,
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It the snake is wild caught, it is likely loaded with parasites. You need to get a fecal sample to a vet.
Best Regards
John Z
I have had many wild-caught snakes come from dealers and one's that I have caught myself, that were clean, free of internal parasites after fecal flotations and swabs. Granted, most of them are, but to make a blanket statement that wild-caughts are loaded is not 100% correct. Thought I'd add that.
Randal
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by theemojohnm on January 28, 2010
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Hell, the guts of most animals are loaded with parasites, and microbial organisms.
In the wild, these are natural processes; the food chain, and parasites live where they were meant to, in another host organism..
The problem is when you pull an animal out of the wild, does stress tend to eventually wear the animal down.
It is in the closed system of a plastic enclosure that naturally occurring parasite, coupled with stress, eventually win out.
I would suggest a basic fecal exam by a vet is you are having issues..
Also, as someone else pointed out, hydration is extremely important, as well as high humidity and appropriate temps for Boiga. More often than not, that lethargy is severe dehydration, and can usually be reversed.. But, a clean supply of fresh water 24/7 is a big must. Would also spray down the cage a few times a week as well.
Usually, basic parasite infections can be cleaned up with some of the products available. But, you have to know what you are looking for. Treating an area that you SUSPECT was the issue will only add more stress to an already weakened immune system if you were wrong.
Until you get used to looking at snake sh#t under the scope and get some good reference material, your only real, SERIOUS option, would be a vet for exam. Then again, that
Doesn't necessarily mean you have to pay a vet to TREAT the animal. There are a number of vets in my area that will not treat anything venomous, or reptilian for that matter, but will still run fecal sample exams, for relatively cheap.. $70-$100 ish..
Take Care,
-John Mendrola.
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by Cro on January 28, 2010
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Randal, my blanket statement concerning mangrove snakes is based on the ones that I had to deal with back in the 70's that were heavily paracitized when freshly imported. Since then, I have not had to deal with them, which is good, because I do not care for them too much.
The parasite load is very dependent on where the snakes were collected, and what they were feeding on, and how much stress they were subjected to.
If you got in mangrove snakes that were clean, well, lucky you.
The fact is, any newly imported snake can be paracitized, or have other ailments, and all should be quarantined and have a workup done.
The unfortunate thing these days, is that newly imported snakes are often sold before they even get to this country, and are shipped out right after they arrive at a wholesaler, or, are carried to a reptile show, where they can contaminate many other snakes.
It is really unfortunate that the shows allow this, but it seems to be a common thing. More about making money, than the welfare of the animals.
Best Regards
John Z
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by AquaHerp on January 29, 2010
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You know....rumor is- there is a guy....a really awesome guy, that breeds these snakes. I even hear that there should be a fresh batch of well-started hatchlings ready by May.
DH
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by Crotalusssp on January 29, 2010
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I have limited experience with these snakes, but I would be up for giving them a go if this "awesome guy" that Doug speaks highly of will have CBB.
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by Cro on January 29, 2010
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Yep, purchasing one that was captive hatched, and well started, from an awesome guy, would be the way to go.
I got burned out on mangroves, because the wild caught ones that I had to deal with many years ago were big and nasty tempered, scarred up, and covered with internal and external parasites.
Still, they are very attractive looking animals, and can make a stunning zoo exhibit.
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John Z
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by Crotalusssp on January 29, 2010
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John, that is the reason for my lack of experience with them. All the ones I have had contact with were imports with parasites. I have always tried to avoid illnesses/parasites in my collection and those always seemed like a way of inviting headaches if nothing else. A well started CBB from Doug, er an "awesome guy", would be much more desirable specimen. Let me when the babies are ready. I would like to add one to my collection.
Charles
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