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by Crotalusssp on September 1, 2010
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Is it just me or do people come here asking for advice and already know the answer they want to hear? Then get aggravated, LOUD, and eventually insulting when they do not get "their" answer. He asked a question, I wrote what I, and others thought, was a pretty well thought out answer, and then it digresses into this.....You are not truly and honestly asking a question, if you only want to hear "your" answer. Just a couple thoughts.
Charles
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by Cro on September 1, 2010
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Very good point Charles.
Of course we are dealing with a 24 year old who is that magic age where he knows everything there is to know about reptile keeping, snake bite, parenting, etc. LOL.
Best Regards
John Z
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by CanadianSnakeMan on September 1, 2010
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Your reference to mining accidents and natural disasters has no bearing on keeping hots. No one has control over forces of nature whereas YOU are in complete control of your decisions to keep hots or not, your sefety procedures and you should be in control of your snakes if you ever have to handle them.
If I remember correctly, you asked for advice at the beginning of this post. There are many members here with combined experience working with hots that would add up to several human lifetimes at least. Why then do you become defensive when asked pointed questions or receive the requested advice? If you feel a sense of discomfort when others with more experience are sharing their opinions with you and asking questions, it's not because you're being put on trial. If that makes you feel uncomfortable, then that's your issue - this forum didn't do that to you.
People here are giving you the best suggestions they can from their experience - not just telling you what you want to hear. If you wanted people to do that, this isn't the place to be.
If you are already dead-set on keeping hots around your family and you believe you are totally in control of the situation then why are you asking for advice?
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by venominme on September 4, 2010
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This guy turned out to be a knucklehead, plain and simple. Very poor example of serious educated hobby keepers of venomous. Please don’t keep venomous with children or without. Especially with. And you should quit smoking.
For me, I also approach them like a bite is inevitable. My mission is always for it not to be today, not this time. Take it one snake, one day at a time, and never get to the day it happens. Just say to yourself, it will not be this snake, every time. If you think never, no way, not me, then you will be less careful than someone who says, yes it could happen, but it will not be today.
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by elapidkeeper on September 7, 2010
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The temperments of Dendroaspis vary highly...yes some are less crazy than others. But eventually and more often than not, on the very 1st try.... you're going to get the typical polylepis with the "too cool for school" attitude that is going to run all over you. Not saying you're not ready to die or anything like that.But, it's very likely. Like you have said, though you may be at peace with that decision, but is your wife OK with that? And are you willing to leave her behind especially with your child? Not trying to get preachy...just things to ponder that are not to be taken lightly.
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by AquaHerp on September 7, 2010
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Many are not afraid to die. That is until they have a foot on both sides of that ominous line...then it hits you. Been there.
DH
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by hapkidocrochunter on September 8, 2010
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I have to agree, I am not willing to die for this, or any hobby. Im sure, if i was, my wife and daughter wouldn't be to happy with me. With that said, we all know there is a chance of a bite happening, and we all have to be ready and prepared, just in case that day comes. For the most part, bites are avoidable. Proper tools, well rested, not watching tv at the same time as cleaning the tanks..etc. I know it "could happen", but I will never ever feel like its "going to happen".
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by najasuphan on September 9, 2010
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I would say don't keep them. I don't think it's necessarily wrong or irresponsible as long as you have security and safety to the highest degree, as everyone keeping these animals should anyway, but in your case I wouldn't keep them. You said the farthest you would go would maybe be Dendroaspis. Well, I'm not sure how much farther you expect TO go. If you think rhino vipers are quick then an irritated black mamba, or even green and some species of cobras, would eat you alive. If you don't mind me asking, what were you bitten by and under what circumstances? Also, taking into account that you've already been bitten after only keeping venomous for 4-5 years is not exactly a good track record. Not unless you're working in a lab doing extractions, or something along those lines where you are handling a large volume of snakes on a daily basis. I think having the attitude that "getting bit is inevitable" is bad to have when you pick keeping venomous snakes as a hobby. I started keeping when I was 13 years old, am now 32, and have not been bitten. I don't think that a bite is an inevitability. A probability? Yeah maybe, but I don't think that a bite has to happen. I'm not looking to offend but that's my opinion on this. Good luck and congrats on the kid!
-Jamie
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by Rob_Carmichael on September 11, 2010
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There have been some great posts from people trying to help this idiot. The idiot is what really spoiled what would have been a great discussion. Young, irrational, immature, and not ready to keep hots - plain and simple. Does age matter? YUP.
But, to digress into some of the other great comments, I, too, thought that, and still believe that, there's no reason to get bit by a venomous snake under your care. But, accidents happen, sometimes freak accidents that no matter how experienced you are, it's hard to be ready for something that can happen in a blink of an eye and so unexpectedly. For years I bragged and preached how I had a perfect safety record; even on this forum. Even at conferences and symposiums I spoke at I got on my mighty pulpit and touted my perfect track record. I actually looked down a bit on those who got bit - boy did I have to eat some serious humble pie when I took my first bite at the age of 46...had a good streak going but I got too comfortable/complacent and failed to abide by the strict policies and procedures I put in place to keep me and the animals safe. Consequently, I took my first ever bite and envenomation and it was humbling, scary as hell, and definitely made me have some flashbacks to all of the jerk comments I made to those who've been bitten (and I'm talking about responsible herp folks, not the yahoos you see on youtube). It sucked, but, I learned from it and hope to enjoy the rest of my career bite-free and definitely a lot more humble in my approach when talking to people. I made some changes to the way I approach certain procedures and turned what could have been a terrible situation into a positive one by improving my skills. My bite could have been a lot worse so I'm a blessed man. As Doug said, there's no excuse to get bit by a venomous snake during routine husbandry and maintenance. And as we say in this profession..."sometimes chit happens despite our best attempts at maintaining a 100% safe atmosphere"
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