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What's the best method to milk a rear fanged snake
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by Bothrops_pictus on May 13, 2004
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I would like to know what is the best method to milk a rear fanged snake. We need to milk a species and the fangs are not so long so I would like to know what methods are used often and what is the best in your opinion. Thanks to all
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it depends which rear fang?
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by Bud on May 13, 2004
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I was told sometimes you hold the head over a petri dish and use purified water to rinse the venom out uf the mouth into the dish.
If it has good sized fangs try putting capillary tubes over fangs or the cup with membrane a small flat type cup.
bryan is the pro at milking rear fanged snakes.
good luck
bud
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RE: I recommend calling Dr. Frye ...
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by Buzztail1 on May 13, 2004
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Your absolute best bet for accurate information on how to do this extraction is to contact Dr. Frye at bgf@unimelb.edu.au . He has done research on the venoms of several notable rear-fanged snakes and I am certain that he will be able to recommend a technique which will work for you.
Good Luck,
Karl H. Betz
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by Bothrops_pictus on May 13, 2004
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hi, thx to all who answered. I'm looking to milk Tachymenis peruviana (I was bitten by one of those a month ago) and Philodryas carbonelli.
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by CAISSACA on May 14, 2004
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What was the Tachmenis bite like? These have been reported to be fairly nasty at times.
Cheers,
Wolfgang
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by Bothrops_pictus on May 14, 2004
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Hi mister Wuster. The animal was an adult male (a very big one) and bit me for over 5 minutes because I couldn't open his mouth. When i finally got him out of my finger my finger was swollen and my hand began to swell very rapidly. I went to the hospital (the hospital is 45 minutes away). When I got there my hand was like a boxing glove, the palm of my hand and some parts of my fingers were black y had a lot of petechiae
even under the wrist. Urine and blood tests were done and they were normal. After two hours the hand stopped swelling and the oedema began decreasing so I went home. It took three days for my hand to be normal again, but my bitten finger was still slightly thicker than it was and it took almost a month to recover its thickness. The petechiae dissapeared within a week. Should you be interested I have some pictures of my hand the day after the bite.
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by Phobos on May 14, 2004
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Good topic; I am unfamiliar with these two Genus. Can someone direct me to a good source to learn more about them? What kind of supportive medical care did the doctors give you? Were they concerned about "compartment syndrome" with all of the edema in your hand?
Thanks & good luck,
Al
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by Bothrops_pictus on May 15, 2004
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Hi, I chose that hospital where I went because it was suppossed to be specialized in tropical diseases and snake bites, spiders, etc, but when we got there (I went with my brother and after a while came a friend of mine with whom I worked with snakes) the doctor said that the snake was a Bothrops, we had to argue with him telling him the difference between a colubrid and a Bothrops, he even said "there's the pit, I'm seeing it" when we said that the snake was a colubrid and not a Bothrops and therefore the snake had no pit). After a while he sent me to the observation room where another doctor wanted to give me antibothropic serum and we had to argue again, we had to explain him again why that snake was not a Bothrops and as they insisted I said I had no intention of receiving antibothropic serum (The doctor even said "I am the doctor, I know what to do", we said: "you are a doctor, but you don't know sh*t about snakes, we are biologists and we know how to tell a snake from another and this is not a f**king Bothrops). Finally, two women doctors took samples of urine and blood and as I waited for the results they gave me serum with NaCl and an antibiotic (I think it was clindamicine). They also tried to give me the vaccine for tetanus, I refused. The blood and urine tests were normal, but they said that I had to stay 24 hours to see the oedema and possible complications. I refused to stay based on the fact that they couldn't even identify the species and that if I had received what they wanted to give me (antibothropic) I could be dead, and my father, who is a doctor, was coming back to Lima next day. After hours of trying to make me stay they said to me that if the oedema got worse I should go back quickly, prescribed paracetamol for the pain and clindamicine. I went home, my father came next day and told me to forget the clindamicine and the paracetamol (antibiotics are not preventive) and I've had worse pains, he gave me and antihistamine and the oedema decreased in almost 40% in the first day, the third day my hand was normal. What I learned of all this? that we must do everything to prevent the bites, even of those supossed "harmless" snakes because most of the doctors are unfamiliar with them and don't know how to treat them.
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by Phobos on May 16, 2004
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Bravo!! Good thing you stood your ground. I love your statment to the doctor: " You know s**t about snakes" That is perfect in the way you handled the situation. I have ran into doctors with the sam attitude and if you give in you could be dead. Male doctors are VERY bad at listening to the patient this is why I have female doctors. Young male doc's have too much Testerone to give a damn. They only want to be in charge & be a hero.
You father was on the right track for the treatment for this bite, antihistamines, pain meds, and maybe a mild steroid would have been useful too.
Thanks for the valuable lesson and information.
Good luck,
Al
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