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RE: spider bite
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by pygmybait on August 10, 2004
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Greg, Believe me brother - I know. That's why I said that they weren't supposed to be there.... I been arguing this point with several of our local physicians here in northeast Florida. They say that the brown recluse isn't here because the internet says so. I say they are because I have seen them here and further south. The NATURAL range only extends to the panahndle but with transportation happening so fast these days and trucks and cars and planes moving from state to state, the "natural" range has changed very rapidly in recent years to inclue wherever they happen to hitch a ride to.
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RE: spider bite
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by timberrattlesnake89 on August 11, 2004
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Brown recluse spiders are the number one spider everyone thinks they have been bitten by. They are probaly the most infomous and feared too. You do not get ill like that of a black widow. So many people think they have been bitten by a brown recluse in which they do not even exist in the area. The necrosis can be very severe indeed, and for some people last for years. Hardly anyone die from one, although it can be very painful. The venom is very much like some snake venoms, eating and dissoving the tissue around the bite. The black widow is a lot more dangerous than a recluse.
Just like the name implies it is very much a recluse. They like dry dark areas like sheds and attics. Black widows on the other hand like dark moist places. Most bite from the black widow spiders and brown recluse spiders mostly oocurs in the winter months when the spiders moves inside to escape the cold. Most spiders you encounter are harmless or can do minium harm to humans.
The brown recluse spider is a small brown spider which has the infomous violen/fiddle on the back. The black widow spider is a small black spider has a red hour glass shape on its abdomin. The bite from a black widow can be serious for the eldery or small children. When a spider from both species bites a person most of the time does not feel the bite at first. Only a little bit later does the person feel the bite. When a person is bit by a black widow first will see at the bite site a red ring. Then they will start to feel chills. Then will have horribly painful muscle spasomes in the abdomen. The venom of a black widow is high in neurotoxcins.There is an anti-venin for this species. Most of the time though, the paitent will never need it. Only children are the ones that might need the anit-venin, but most of the time there can be seroius side effect from the anti-venin. If you do not have the anti-venin the pain will last about five days then will end.
Both the black widow spider and the brown recluse spider are very beatiful, and they are like venomous snakes in a since, if they are respected and percautions are made you should never have a threatning encounter with one. Remember to be careful when putting on shoes or gloves that have been outside or not worn lately. Also be careful when sticking your hand in dark places too.
Phillip
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Diagnosis, Treatment, Symptomolgy of Spider Bites
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by 23bms on August 13, 2004
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Antibiotics are USELESS in the treatment of spider bites unless a secondary infection develops.
From the Merck Manual:
Diagnosis and Treatment
There is no way to identify a particular spider on the basis of its bite mark. Therefore, a specific diagnosis can be made only if the spider can be observed. Black widow spiders are recognized by a red or orange hourglass-shaped marking on the abdomen. Brown recluse spiders have a violin-shaped marking on their back.
The only first-aid measure of any value for a spider bite is placing an ice cube on the bite to reduce pain. For a black widow spider bite, muscle pain and spasms can be relieved with muscle relaxants and opioid analgesics. Hot baths may relieve mild pain. Antivenom is given for severe poisoning. Hospitalization is usually required for people younger than 16 and older than 60 and for those with high blood pressure or heart disease. For a brown recluse spider bite, antivenom is not yet commercially available. Skin sores are cleaned daily with a povidone-iodine solution and are soaked 3 times a day in sterile salt water (saline); dead tissue is trimmed away as needed.
Symptoms
The bite of a black widow spider usually causes a sharp pain, somewhat like a pinprick, followed by a dull, sometimes numbing, pain in the area around the bite. Cramping pain and muscle stiffness, which may be severe, develop in the abdomen or the shoulders, back, and chest. Other symptoms may include nausea, vomiting, sweating, restlessness, anxiety, headache, drooping and swelling of the eyelids, skin rash and itching, severe breathing problems, increased saliva production, and weakness.
The bite of a brown recluse spider may cause little or no immediate pain, but some pain develops in the area around the bite within about an hour. Pain may be severe and may affect the entire injured area, which may become red and bruised and may itch. The rest of the body may itch as well. A blister forms, surrounded by a bruised area or by a more distinct red area that resembles a bull's-eye. Then the blister enlarges, fills with blood, and ruptures, forming an open sore (ulcer) that may leave a large craterlike scar. Nausea and vomiting, aches, fatigue, chills, sweats, blood disorders, and kidney failure may develop, but the bite is rarely fatal.
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Rampant unwarranted use of antibiotics, particularly for viral diseases such as the flu, is resulting in a proliferation of resistant organisms. It is one of the major crises in modern medicine. Many physicians irresponsibly prescribe them simply to shut the patient up. The harm they are doing is incalculable. There are many legitimate applications for antibiotics. Envenomation is not one of them.
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