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ease of availablility and price on hot's
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by SerpenXotics on April 2, 2005
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Guy's & Gal's
I have had something eating away at the back of my head for some time now
WHY!!!!!!!
Why are egyptian cobras so easy and cheap to get are they really something beginers should easily get there hands on I mean come on this is a HOT!!! snake and as aggressive as it gets I have not heard of to many easy to manage egyptians not to mention beginers useually have this superman Diehard attitude and I know from expeiriance trust me that when I first got into hot's I wanted a cobra and god know's it was only my forth hot snake that was that first scary egyptian which let me tell you only lasted a couple of weeks before it became someone else's cobra LOL come on I only paid $100.00 for this 5'+ IMPORT and the price please egyptians should be expensive solely based on there attitude and I have paid as low as $60.00 for one at a show
Why are Canebrakes so inexpensive I mean come on this is not a mild venom these animals are HOT HOT HOT
I have bought canes for as low as $5.00 and they seem to average $25.00 at show's what is this coming to and not to mention how easy they are to get your hands on almost every table at a hot show useually has them on it
Black neck spitters I shouldent even have to say anything here people these guy's spit they are COBRAS and I have bought them for as low as $20.00 though I find they average $50.00-65.00
copperheads sure they don't have a real toxic venom but they are still VENOMOUS and I have seen vendors sell these to the completely ignorant for penny's on the dollar
and worst of all why must we degrade and lose value of our beautiful animals to were we are selling them for price's like these to compete with vendors I have stopped breeding some species because of price and availability to the public I mean they are all still beautiful animals in my eye's and worth more than what they are going for people think of some of these animals as throw away pet's just to feel cool they don't care about the animal you just get some yocale screaming to there friends "hey man I got this rattlesnake" if a canebrake was $150.00 (which they are worth every penny) most of the ignorant wouldent even consider buying
wow glad to get that off my chest sorry about the spelling ya'll
PEACE
Joe Lesh
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by AquaHerp on April 3, 2005
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Unfortunately, being a HOT snake or not has nothing to do with the market price. It's all about availability and what the market will bear. If Rob-Roy at Glades Herp has one person in the world wanting to sell him one clutch of hatchling X-vipers out of the one pair of the only current breeders around, then we're talking high dollar. Hot or not. But if he has three dozen guys standing there with wild caught canebrakes to sell him, and he knows that anyone who buys these can most likely go out and catch one themselves, or ask someone to do it for them, then naturally he's not going to get as much on the market for these animals, so hence, he's not going to ask as much. (He can’t)
Should it be any different because they are venomous, perhaps, but to what degree? I can pick up 30 western diamondbacks on a good night. I certainly can't ask too much (if I was in to selling that is). So hot or not, it's a simple case of market economics. We can't buy these kids common sense, that they will have to get on their own accord.
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by MattHarris on April 3, 2005
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Its supply and demand.
Unfortunately (and this applies to non-vens too) that if dealers can buy imports from some local hunter for $10 and sell them for $100, they'll do it. I've not seen to many trades where the markup on a product is so high. Granted, they cover some of the losses due to dead animals, but the markups on many snakes are ridiculous--especially for something that's wild caught.
My personal opinion(and yes its biased), though is that the price of the snake should be related to the rarity of the snake in the wild and its difficulty to maintain in captivity. If that were true, the black-headed bushmaster should be the highest price snake going. Unfortunately, people out there(and I will try not to judge you) are nuts enough to pay higher prices for snakes that are simply Amelanistic or leucistic. What's the point of a snake with little or no color????? I just don't get it. The same holds for piebald ball pythons--these are truly held by people in the hobby simply for the money.
Anyone who pays a sum of money--equivalent to a down payment on a house--ought to have their heads examined.
Matt
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by Phobos on April 3, 2005
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Hi Joe:
Doug is right. Has nothing to do with what a dealer is selling. It's all suppy & demand with no regards to the animals.
Yes, I'm bothered by everyone breeding their animals indiscriminately, just because you can doesn't mean you should.
What really bothers me is people going out and collecting wild specimens for sale when there is a surplus of CB animals of the same species available. We scream & yell at the Rattlesnake roundup people but on the other hand what are we doing? The same thing to an EXTENT except we don't slaughter them. We go out year after year and collect, collect, collect. How many of those specimens end up in the freezer...quite a few I bet.
Please take nothing but pictures and leave nothing but foot prints. NOT the law but just the right thing to do.
Al
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by GREGLONGHURST on April 4, 2005
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Collecting can in fact be as bad as killing. Once that snake is removed from the wild, it is gone from the gene pool as well. It might as well be dead as far as Mother Nature is concerned.
~~Greg~~
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by SerpenXotics on April 4, 2005
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I just have to say well said to everyone! I know now what I can do as a person/Dealer. When I get approached at a show,on-line or by a walk in customer at my store. I think I may start digging a little deeper. I always ask questions.(what do you keep? how long have you been keeping? Ect)But maybe I should dig deeper.I really should be asking questions like.(what handling techniques do you use? what kind of caging do you use? and do you have a snake bite protocal? as well as my previous questions.) I have turned down sales in the past you know. "yeah I never even been around a cobra before but I kept other venomous in the past." sorry I can't sell you this animal! Not that I am saving a life. because I always see that same person at a vendor table just down from me purchasing something I am sure is more than they bargained for. but at least I know when I go home at night I can get good sleep!!! and as for the pricing I understand supply and demand. I guess I will keep up to my ways and have no problem bringing my $40.00 C.B. cottonmouth home.Eventually someone will see it for the beauty it really is. and will take pride spending a little more to get a young healthy C.B. animal. and putting there little part into the conservation efforts!
Thank you for all of your responses
Joe Lesh
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by rthom on April 4, 2005
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I witnessed at a show a Mom buying her son a neonate C.atrox .He was 13 or 14 years old. I did ask her "nicely" what in the good god she was doing!! She replied that he was "mature" for his age. At the same show I saw another vender tell a guy that a T. wagleri'
bite "wouldn't even warrant a trip to the hospital".
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