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Neonate verses Adult ???
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by Cro on April 6, 2005
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A lot of people who post here use the term "Neonate" for any young snake, from newborn to almost adult. Back in the dark ages, before the term "neonate" was invented, we would refer to newborn snakes that came from eggs as "hatchlings", and those that were live born as "birthlings", or as "babys", or as "very young", or as "infants".
Older, non-adult snakes were called "young".
Adult snakes were called "adults".
In humans, a neonate is an infant up to 4 weeks old. After that, it becomes a baby.
I believe we are using the term neonate the wrong way to define "any" young snake. I think it should be used only for new born snakes, that are very, very young. Young snakes should be called something else, like "young" ? But, that is just my opinion. Could be one of those things that came into use along with the metric system, and is too late to change. It is just that when folks use the term neonate here, you really dont' know if they mean new born, or young, or whatever? What does everyone else think about this?
Best Regards JohnZ
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by AquaHerp on April 6, 2005
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I generally only use neonate for freshly born/hatched.
(pssst..John, and I was only kidding ya about the bite thing)
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by jungle on April 6, 2005
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I said neonate talking about the canebrake. This one looked only a few days old. I found a pregnant timber rattlesnake at the end of last season. It must have overwintered with the babies. This one was only 5-6 inches at the most.It only had a little button. I too consider snakes neonates only when they are first born up until there first few sheddings.
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by jungle on April 6, 2005
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by the way, I found a cane brake out in the Okefenokee area. I have a few good spots out that way.
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by Cro on April 6, 2005
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Doug: I know you were kidding, LOL ! I learned a lot with that post from Bryan. It is always good to learn new stuff from the experts in the field, and get new web sites to explore. Best Regards JohnZ
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by bush_viper17 on April 6, 2005
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It looks like we have an impersonator. Wasnt jungle the guy who was a fake? Now he is copying what I said in my post "Close Call". Thats weird two different people can catch a 5-6 inch canebrake on the same day lol.
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by Chance on April 6, 2005
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I too only ever use the term neonate for a very young animal. With herps I usually like to use it in reference to a baby from a viviparous snake, as compared to a hatchling from an oviparous one. Once the snake has shed though, it's a juvenile in either case.
-Chance
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by Cro on April 6, 2005
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It is good to see that a lot of folks use the term "neonate" correctly, and the term "young" or "juvenile" correctly. Unfortunatly, if you type neonate in the "search experts" box, you will find hundreds of cases of the term being used to name any young, non-adult snake. Maybee it is one of those unfortunate words like "blog" that should have never been invented, LOL! JohnZ
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by guttersnacks on April 7, 2005
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I've seen Blog used all around, but I can honestly say if I had to define it, I wouldnt know where to start. Is it a synonym(sp?) for "tidbit" ?
Neonate, with NEO meaning new in latin, would certainly be worn out after being in this world for a few weeks.
So, would we all agree that maybe it should be
Neonate --- Birth-1 month
Juvenile --- 1 month - 12 months
Yearling --- 12 months to 24 months
Sub-adult --- 24 mnths to ....???? 3 years
Adult after 3 years or at sexual maturity for the species.
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