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RE: my canebrake rattling theory
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by earthguy on October 6, 2005
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"Have humans been on this planet long enough so that animals have had the time to evolve their threat displays/colouration to include human interaction?"
Yes, many animals have developed specific behaviors toward humands.
Jeremy. Some good ideas are flowing here. Think of ways to test them. As far as rattlers who don't rattle, I have heard a hypothesis concerning human forces acting upon rattlers. As John stated, rattles developed as protection from hooved animals. Enter humans. Snakes that rattle warnings are easier to locate, thus are found more often, thus are killed by humans that consider them threats. Those snakes that are genetically predisposed to rattle less are less likely to rattle, less likely to be found, less likely to be killed by the ultimate predator. Long story short, gene shift due to (un)natural selection leads to evolution in rattlesnake behavior. Just a hypothesis, but it flows nicely. Sorry this is so choppy, but I have a class to teach. Let me know what you think.
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by timberrattlesnake89 on October 6, 2005
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Most of the canebrakes I find in North Georgia do not rattle. I have found a big Gravid Female that has rattled before. All the canebrakes I have found in south Georgia rattle. I have found one that was sleeping and once I moved it it started rattling. I think it is just mabye tempature related too.
Phillip
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by Cro on October 7, 2005
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Jeremy: Your ideas took off well, and are still going. You came up with several good observations that science should take a better look at.
What bothers me some is that you at first seemed somewhat intimidated by your own observation, calling it perhaps a stupid idea.
I would advise you to not criticize yourself so much. You have posted many good ideas and observations in the past. When you observe something, post it, and state your case for believing it.
Do not worry about stuff like your age, you have a lot of field experience, and have possibly made observations that were missed by others.
I guess what I am trying to say, is that you do not have to apologize for posting an idea, or say things like the idea might be stupid.
Just post it.
It might turn out write or wrong, but never be intimidated from expressing your idea. Some of the greatest observations in science have come from young people. Quite often the old farts are so set in their ways, that they miss things that the younger folks can still see.
Best Regards JohnZ
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by Rabies on October 8, 2005
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"Quite often the old farts are so set in their ways, that they miss things that the younger folks can still see." Very true indeed.
John
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by bush_viper17 on October 8, 2005
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Thanks John. I do feel intimidated sometimes because there are alot of very knowledgable people in these forums, including yourself. Thanks for they replies.
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by Parcelmouth on October 10, 2005
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I was told by a mentor herper that a wild specimen of C. atrox was found by a friend of his in Texas almost 5 feet in lenth and the strange thing was it was very alert and watching every move made by the person who found it. However it never once rattled. When he asked why the notorious atrox did not display it's usual behavior, the reply was ....It did not live to be a near five foot rattlesnake by buzzing at every human that crossed it's path.
This topic generated some interesting responses. Thanks to all that posted
J.S. Harrison
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