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by snakeguy101 on March 1, 2007
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I got that book from a good friend and I would recommend it to everyone, it has a lot of neat stuff in there including some old herping places, any one been to sandy hill? is that place still open, it sounds like a great place to go herping.
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by GREGLONGHURST on March 1, 2007
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That is an excellent read. Kauffeld was as good a writer as he was a herpetologist. A real gentleman, too. A couple of guys who worked under him at the Staten Island Zoo visited Sofla when I was working at Lion Country in the '70s & asked me to show them some spots to hunt. They were not successful, but I sent them back with a couple of primo Sistrurus. A little while later, I received a hand written thank you note from Carl his ownself.
~~Greg~~
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by Cro on March 1, 2007
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Chris, Sandy Hill and Okatee Club in S.C. were grand places to snake hunt.
I was fortunate to hunt there before they were closed.
That wonderfull book you are reading unfortunatly caused some folks to visit the area who overcolected the animals there, and destroyed property there.
That got that plantation, and most of the other plantations there, shut down for snake hunters.
At least there is still the book to let you know what it was like back in the old days. Enjoy the read!
Best Regards JohnZ
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by SnakeEyes2006 on March 1, 2007
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Things like that are the reasons most of us do not give exact locations when telling others where we found our field collected herps... I have luck in many places, and then strike out in others....Books are a big picture of the past, I have not had the oppertunity to read that book, but have talked to local old timers about their hay days, a local guy where I live, says he hunted/HERPED back in the 50s-70s and was one of the first persons to succesfully keep a Coral snake in captivity, he has raised many different reps, and has even ran a carnival show with reptiles back in the 70s-80s, he has told me many good places that were good in his time, but now nothing is there.......Just good luck hunting, and you will find your herp gold mine, and when you do stake your claim on it, and tell no one, or someone else will come and steal all your gold/herps...
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by earthguy on March 2, 2007
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Shawn is (and others are) right about not being able to safely reveal good locals, but that is a sad statement about our community. This mistrust (though often well founded) really takes something away from the hobby, as well as good conservation research.
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by Cro on March 2, 2007
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Joshua, I do not consider the slobs who over-collect and commercially-collect to be part of "our community."
Folks here represent a much higher standard of ethical reptile keepers.
Slob collectors are exploiting natural resources to make as much money as they can, or to show off what kool snake hunters they are by catching and they are keeping a lot of animals they dont need. To them the animals represent money or bragging rites, and they usually have little concern for the wellfare of the animals.
In years past before the GA reptile laws were passed, you would have some of these notorious folks coming up from the glades with snake bags full of 40 or 50 King Snakes or Rat Snakes, and they would go from pet shop to pet shop trying to sell the snakes. That type of greedy activity had a lot to do with the restrictive laws we now have in place today.
Best Regards JohnZ
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by snakeguy101 on March 3, 2007
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i agree, that's horrible. I know of a few local areas that are great including my own backyard but it is nothing like what was described in the book, two indigo snakes and a gator in less than an hour! I sure wish i had that kind of luck!
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by SnakeEyes2006 on March 3, 2007
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JohnZ you are right, man some people, do way over collect thinking they can make some quick cash, I hope I did not come off to you as one of these persons?? All I was saying is I like going out to see what I can see, and then every once in a while something with odd markings or different colorations may come home with me to go into my collection or breeding program, I know people across the U.S. that are looking for different color variations of different species of reptiles, and when one of these is found we try our best in seeing if we can reproduce this same color scheme, but by no means was I telling anybody to go out and grab everything they see.. I am new to this forum, and do not want to say anything that gets read in the wrong way!!!! I just wanted to clear that up, and all I was saying is when you do come across a place that you do find alot of herps more than once (stake your claim on it) means make sure that place is yours, and keep it quiet or some of these (over collectors) will do just that, and then there will be no more HERPS to see in that area..... later Shawn
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by Cro on March 3, 2007
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Not a problem at all Shawn.
If I find a unique patterned snake, I might bring it home and pair it up with a similar individual, to keep the blood line going, and to see how inheratable the charistic is.
We can learn a lot that way.
Best Regards JohnZ
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by snakeguy101 on March 3, 2007
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certainly, if I found an albino or a two headed snake or simply just an odd coloration, I too would bring it right home.
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