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by calhounsnakelady on April 1, 2007
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My son recently found a small snake in the creek in front of our house. We have tons of garder snakes here and are please to share with them. However this new snake is not one I've ever seen and looks nothing like a copperhead very common here as well. It there a way I can send you a photo of this snake and have it identified? At this point I'm thinking a small rat snake of some kind but we have many venomous water snakes here too. I'd rather be safe than sorry.
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by vanerka on April 1, 2007
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shure, if you like, just post a picture by using photobucket.com, then paste the code and the picture will show...
thanks eric
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by GREGLONGHURST on April 1, 2007
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Fill in a profile so I can communicate with you off site, or e-mail the picture to me. By the way, there is only one venomous water snake (not counting subspecies) in North America, not several.
~~Greg~~
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Link to pic...
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by RepFan on April 2, 2007
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This a link to the pic of the snake in question.
http://www.venomousreptiles.org/libraries/showfilepage/5808?offset=300
~ Todd
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by BobH on April 2, 2007
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It is definately a juvenile watersnake but not brownwater snake. My best guess is that it is Neroida erythrogaster (redbellied or yellowbellied watersnake).
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by SwampY on April 3, 2007
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My money is on northern watersnake. Northerns have bands for the first couple of inches then alternating dark spots. Erythrogaster has alternating blotches the entire body in the young. Midlands do also. The head just doesn't look like a taxispilota nor a fasciata. so the only candidate left is N. sipedon.
Could be wrong though, watersnakes all look the same to me.
Here's a pic of one juvenile I think Pierson or Berkely took... http://www.bio.davidson.edu/people/midorcas/research/Field%20trips/Landsford/Nerodia%20sipedon%20-%20juv%203-%20Landsford%20Canal%20SP%20-%204-3-02%20-%20MD.jpg
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by Cro on April 3, 2007
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Well, since Chenoa did not bother to fill in her profile, we have to wonder if calhounsnakelady lives in Calhoun, GA ?
If she lives there, we can rule out the Red-bellied Water Snake, Nerodia erythrogaster erythrogaster, because the range do not extend to Calhoun.
That would leave us with four possible animals to consider:
Midland Water Snake, Nerodia siepedon pleuralis,
Northern Water Snake, Nerodia siepedon siepedon,
Yellow-bellied Water Snake, Nerodia e. flavigaster,
Brown Water Snake, Nerodia taxispilota.
We have to remember that the Northern Water Snake is highly variable, but we also have to consider that populations in Calhoun would be integrade populations with the Midland Water Snake, and not pure Northern Water Snakes.
Midlands in Calhoun could be pure, or integrade populations.
Both of the above would have patterns on the venters, while the Yellow-bellied Water Snake would not have a pattern on the venter. Unfortunatly, the photo does not show the venter. However, if this were a Yellow-bellied Water Snake, I believe we would be seeing a pinkish ground color and yellowish lips, and banding that turns into saddles on the posterior area. For this reason, I think we can rule out the Yellow-bellied Water Snake.
The problem with this snake being a Brown Water Snake, is that there are only two scale rows of seperation between each of the blotches, and one of the main distinctive characteristics of the Brown Water Snake are SEVERAL scale rows between blotches.
So, based on all of this, and that the snake does not exactly match what we would expect, I am leaning toward the Northern, however, since pure blood Northerns are not found in Calhoun, I am going to call this a intergrade snake with some charistics of both the Northern, and the Midland.
It is unfortunate that the venter is not showing in the photo, as seeing the pattern would really help.
Of course, this all depends on us talking about Calhoun, GA. If the poster lives in Calhoun, AL, or Calhoun, MS, or Calhoun, Tx, or Calhoun, Tn, everything changes a bit, LOL !
Just my nickles worth ! (inflation)
Best Regards JohnZ
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