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Why Venomous Snake Keeping gets Banned
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by Phobos on May 22, 2007
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How do bills like Texas HB 1309 get traction in legislatures?
1) Groups Like PETA & ALF
2) Venomous Dealers who put sales ahead of common sense and safety.
3) Morons like this guy. Quoted from another forum.
"hi guys, i recently got my first venomous snake at the last hamburg show, and I think its a young naja kaouthia. its not feeding at all, does anyone have any tips? it just stands up and strikes the whole time, with no interest in the prey. anyone know why it wont eat? also, what cage size would an adult do fine in? thanks in advance yall."
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by TPalopoli on May 22, 2007
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Sad situation, but the real problem is not really that moron. The real problem is the slowly but surely eroding sense of personal responsibility and ambivalence to nanny-state legislation in the US.
I can read the headline now, “Poisonous Snake Kills Girl, 9”. Then an explanation of how the dangerous cobra was purchased by her older brother who had no training or licensing to keep these deadly reptiles. Local and state laws will be reviewed, surprise and dismay expressed that you can legally own and purchase these deadly serpents. Microphones will be shoved in lawmaker’s faces. Local talking points on the issue broadcast daily. ALF and Peta and other such disgusting groups will throw their weight behind any legislation, desperately trying to slip in their own agenda by bits and pieces.
You see, 99% of people could really care less if none of us can ever keep another anole. Any laws restricting reptile ownership is not only met with ambivalence but almost a sense of eagerness by the general public.
Hell, even my own father thinks it should be illegal to purchase a hot snake. But mention, for example, it should be illegal to have a golf course within x-feet of a home or public road because of the potential for a bad golfer to send a deadly missile into some kid’s head playing in her backyard or cause an accident and he will go crazy. “But that’s the responsibility of the golfer!” he’ll yell. Oh wait, you mean it isn’t the fault of the person that sold him the club and the ball? You mean you shouldn’t be required to know (through gov’t licensing?) someone’s golfing ability prior to selling them a golf ball? The only real difference is that golfing is statistically much more dangerous for other people than hot snake ownership.
So while I agree we all must be very careful with our hots…who we sell them to, how we house them, where we keep them, etc…keep in mind the real problem and be sure to battle nanny-state legislation in all it’s forms (even things you sort of think should be regulated – gun control perhaps or smoking?).
Tom
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by Aries54 on May 22, 2007
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You're exactly right! The thing about it that bothers me is when I go to shows, and see people selling these hots to people that have no idea what they're getting into. And the seller makes it sound like keeping hots is the easiest snake you can keep. That really ticks me off. I over heard one vendor once telling a lady that keeping a green mamba was, "no big deal." And that handling hots is easy. Well, maybe to him it is due to his years of handling them. But for this lady, (that I later found out had never owned a hot before) it's not. She bought, took it home, and I hope she's still alive today.
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by SwampY on May 22, 2007
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I firmly believe that owning any animal should be legal, and irresponsible keeping should be criminalized.
Make buying and owning the snake legal. Make shoddy caging, releasing wild animals, animal neglect and endangering the public serious crimes. Unfortunately, what I think and what happens are oft two different things.
I do sometimes question the benefit of public finger wagging from within our own ranks though.
Sadly though, venomous shows are probably not going to be around too much longer. It'll only take one kid pulling a lid off an echis and one good lawyer to shut them down completely. Enjoy them while you have them.
Chad
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by MikeB on May 22, 2007
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There are some interesting parallels between those who would declare by law that I cannot keep a copperhead and those who would deny my right to keep a .38 revolver:
1. Both blame the instrument (snake, gun) rather than the irresponsible actions of the owner when someone is harmed.
2. Both establish a standard for themselves ("I would never own a copperhead or a pistol!") and then decide to impose that standard on everyone else, by legal edict.
3. Both are busybodies who simply annot bring themselves to follow the first maxim of good government, i. e., leave people the heck alone as long as they are not doing actual harm.
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by Aries54 on May 22, 2007
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Ya know, the funny thing about it is,....if these people got their way, and hots or any animals for that fact were banned, they would then move on to something else to b*&ch about! They are the type of people that just love to complain about something and make other peoples' lives miserable. Heck, I remember several years back, a group trying to ban Buggs Bunney from being on tv due to the "violence" it showed. Those are the same sort of idiots. They all just need to do us all a favor and go jump off of a bridge some where!
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by TPalopoli on May 22, 2007
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http://www.amazon.com/Vision-Anointed-Self-Congratulation-Social-Policy/dp/046508995X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-5333493-5497734?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1179872498&sr=8-1
great read,
cheer - Tom
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by earthguy on May 23, 2007
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It boils down to this: in order to protect society at large we must either 1) educate the general public and hold individuals accountable for theiir actions or 2) legislate to the point of removal of civil liberties.
Because it is apparently easier and cheaper to do the latter (not really, but that's what the masses are lead to beleive) I personally advocate self legislation. Those of us who don't have super restrictive laws in our states (Thank you Andrew and Roark) should create our own laws that would protect our rights as keepers, protect us from the idiot masses, AND protect our natural resources.
It may sound pessimistic, but as long as the general public stays ignorant (which I don't see that changing in my life time) we are fighting a losing battle. We need to entrench (protect) ourselves with OUR OWN legislation
Just my $.02, I'm willing to talk with anybody who's ready to have an adult conversation about this.
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