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by hapkidocrochunter on March 11, 2008
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you said you'd rather take a bite from a scute than a neuro canebrake? Isn't there a population of scutes that posses a neurotoxin as well?
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by tj on March 12, 2008
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Most are neurotoxic, but not nearly as bad as some of the canebrakes. Don't get me wrong, mojave's have a very potent venom, and a bite is life threatening. I wouldn't want to take a bite, I was just giving a hypothetical. Mojaves also respond somewhat well to CroFab, with neuro population cane's you may not have time to get to it. They are seriously venomous snakes and are quite underestimated. Just my humble opinion, but they are getting to be one of the last snakes I'd want to take a bite from.
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by Cro on March 12, 2008
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Tom is very right about the dangers of certain populations of canebrake rattlesnakes.
They are some of the most potentially dangerous snakes out there. I have a big pair of 5+ footers, and am super carefull working with them, as they are a bit spooky to work with. They are fairly calm, but it is as if they are just waiting for a slip up to bite someone.
I knew an middle age man who got bitten on his calf by a large southern canebrake while quail hunting in S.GA. He barely survived, and spent 6 months in the hospital. After that he spent several years as a cripple until he finally passed away. The damage the snake did probably had a lot to do with the decline and eventual death of this once healthy individual.
These snakes are alert and always watching, and always calculating just how far you are from them when they are on the hook, and always looking for an opportunity to do something unexpected.
In the past I had a pair that was even larger than these, and much more tempermental. I would rather work with 6 foot diamondback rattlesnakes any day. At least the diamond-back stays "wound up" and you know exactly what it is going to do. Canebrakes behave different from that in captivity. They do not rattle. They just calculate...........
Spooky snakes at times.........
Best Regards JohnZ
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by tj on March 12, 2008
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As nasty as the venom is, it's one of the rattlesnakes I've always wanted most. Unfortunately, it's still a timber and even the southern variants are protected here. I remember 3 or so years ago sending out my application for the Endangered Species Permit. I filled it out with references and a typed out letter, it still didn't work. They contacted to me wanting to know what my education level was, where I worked, and everything else you could think of. None of the questions had anything to do with working with or keeping the snakes themselves. Funny state NY is. I'm all about protecting a certain species, but I'm a pretty competant handler, safe, and took pretty good care of my animals when I had them. Can't quite understand what my resume had to do with anything. Spitzer's sure didn't help. An idiot is still an idiot.
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by Cro on March 12, 2008
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Sorry to hear that Tom. It really is unfortunate that you are not able to keep canebrakes, especially after going through all the hoops trying to comply with the laws and do things right. I can understand New York wanting to protect their endangered timber populations, however, a canebrake is a whole different animal, even if it is still a horridus. A law breaker could have easily bought one at Hamburg and taken it to NY with no consequences, but you get punished for trying to do things right! I bet if you had a PhD and worked at some college you would be easily able to get a permit.
I often think we have restrictive laws here in Georgia, and we surely do. However, we can still keep any of the native venomous species, and fairly easily get a permit for native non-venomous if they are used for educational purposes. It is very difficult though to get an exotic venomous permit.
I sure wish there was a national venomous reptile liscense, that would be similar to Florida`s Liscense, where folks had to prove their experience before they were allowed to keep venomous species.
Best Regards JohnZ
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by Cro on March 12, 2008
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You can see a photo of the pair of wicked canes in my profile. I got them from Mardi S. a couple of years ago.
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by tj on March 12, 2008
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Nice.I've seen some of Mardi's animals at Hamburg when he used to go there, always top notch. I remember seeing a pic of that huge cane he had. What a monster.
NY is funny who they give their ESP's out to. I only personally know two who have them. One is a PHD that works for a college and the other who is a lucky, little Nuclear Engineer with sweet references and knows all the right DEC folks. hehe
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