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by plainblain on April 12, 2008
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I have my friend Brandon over tonught and he mentioned he is having a health problem with a Cantil he has had in his possession for approx. 6 weeks, from the San Antonio show. The snake appeared healthy at time of purchase. Within last 10 days these sysptoms appeared.
Just looking at the snake, you know something is not right.
The symptoms are:
Looks as though it might be dehydrated. Body mass appears to be very slightly less. White appears between scales over entire body and it is not mites.
One eye is glazed, cloudy looks as though just before a shed and it is not a stuck eye cap.
Refused food twice. Usually feed once every ten days.
Still mean as a rat snake so attitude has not changed.
Average temp in vision cageis 83ish/day and 78ish night.
Two water dishes in cage along with various substrates and moss.
Good hides but rarely utilizes them.
Misted every day and drinks moderately to heavily.
Anyone have any comments or suggestion? And is this something that should even be a concern?
Brandon will be watching your posts for guidance.
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by leo561 on April 13, 2008
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How is it breathing ,heavy,light, rasping sounds? you also said in forum in gen. what was in his cage be quite specific.(ie)moss what kind,limbs what kind-oak,cedar.when misting was it totaly dry from the day before-what kind of top totaly closed-screened,where are they getting his food-local wal-marts,mass producer
sorry kinda hard to know whats going on if we have only tid bits of his normal routine,habitat.
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by Atrox788 on April 13, 2008
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First of off stop misting it so much if its not in shed. These snakes are from very arid regions and are not water snakes as alot seem to think.
The agression is just going to be there. Cantils are mean. Thats what they do.
Hides and temps seem good. I would not worry about feeding unless its been 3 mnoths or more truthfully. Agkistrodon just go off feed somtimes. I had a norther copperhead that went off feed 5 months every single year with no ill effects.
If you can get him to post pics of the snakes I can more accurately assess the whitish scale thing. It just sounds like their natural coloration to me but I dont know exactly what you are referring too.
Also, what substrate is he using? This could be a problem. Tell him to stick to news paper for the time being.
The main thing I see wrong here is as listed above. Too much humidity. Tell him to cut way make on the misting. If the snake was eating and drinking prior to this there should not be any issues with dehydration. Its sounds to me like the snake is simply getting ready to shed. Please gets some recent pics of the snake if possible including a close up of the eye in question.
Regards,
Jeremy
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by jared on April 13, 2008
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TOOO MUCH WATER! pull your water bowls the snake is overly hydrated. Taylori produce best when acclimated like Pictigaster, very little water, rase the temp to around 85 with a slightly higher hot spot. Dry out the little bugger, sound like the mold is coming from the overhydration. Keep in mind these guys like it a little more arid than other cantils. hope it helps,
Jared Watts
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by jared on April 13, 2008
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My pictigaster and taylori were set up almost the same way. Lots of dry desert rock, little pine straw and slight sand base under it over the newspaper and 2 sparse air plants on either side of cage, sm to med water bowl, humidity should never be high when pertaining to true desert aggies. Increase the heat remove ALL water, do not EVER mist unless using it in the fall to stimulate breeding behavior for no more than every other day for a week and then drop into dark hibernaculum and u will be kickin out taylori like noones buisness, hope it helps, again, remove all water for at least 2 to 3 days (many arid species can go signifigantly longer wo). Good luck,
Jared
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by Atrox788 on April 13, 2008
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Good point Jared. I thought after the fact that it could be mold developing due to over hydration.
To the OP,
As Jared said, you keep these guys dry and exactly as you would A.c.pictagaster. They are not swamp snakes as many seem to think and even snakes from the swamp dont need that kind of humidity. Heck even eyelash vipers dont require that much humidity and they are the most tropical, hydration prone snakes I have ever worked with.
Good luck and keep us posted,
Jeremy.
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by plainblain on April 14, 2008
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Thank you for your responses. When Brandon stopped by and mentioned his dilema with his Cantil, I suggested putting it on this web site. I knew he would get a lesson in "scientific discovery". I'm sure he is monitoring this web site from his computer and watching and listening to your advice.
He's a young man maybe 18 or 19 and really trying to learn herpetolgy. He spends time occasionally with Tim Cole when he is really in a jam, as we all do who live in Austin, and David, who is an awsome herp down at Zoo Keeper in Austin, Texas. Your post will make Brandon aware.
Thanks...Blain
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