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Update on MI, Burton ban, cold blooded reptiles
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by tigers9 on May 7, 2008
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Is there a warm blooded reptile???;-)
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<< venomous and cold-blooded reptiles, snakes 6 feet or longer<>>
http://www.mlive.com/flintjournal/index.ssf/2008/05/burton_might_put_bite_on_exoti.html
Burton might put bite on exotic animals as pets
by Ashley A. Smith | The Flint Journal
Tuesday May 06, 2008, 12:17 PM
BURTON -- Don't bring your pet alligator or wolf dog to Burton.
The City Council gave preliminary approval Monday to a proposed ban on "exotic, dangerous or undomesticated animals found in the wilderness" following reports of a wolf dog and an alligator being kept as pets in the city.
No longer allowed would be raccoons, skunks, wolves and wolf-dog hybrids. Poisonous spiders and insects, venomous reptiles and cold-blooded animals capable of inflicting injury also would be banned.
Ban on exotic animals
Included in Burton's proposed ordinance:
• No warm-blooded, carnivorous or omnivorous, wild or exotic animals, dangerous or undomesticated animals not considered ordinary house pets.
• The ban includes foxes, wild or exotic cats, nonhuman primates, raccoons, skunks, wolves and a wolf-dog hybrid.
• It also bans spiders or insects that can inflict poisonous bites, venomous and cold-blooded reptiles, snakes 6 feet or longer, crocodiles, piranha fish, sharks and other dangerous cold-blooded animals.
• Residents have 10 days once the ordinance is enacted to remove banned animals from the city.
A state law already puts restrictions on keeping some animals, but the city's proposal goes further.
"Before there was nothing on record for dealing with exotic animals," said Councilwoman Laurie Tinnin.
Some say, however, that the City Council is barking up the wrong tree.
The state law should be enough, said Kelly Arnott, whose pet Jasmine was taken last week because of allegations it is part wolf, part dog.
But Jasmine was returned to the family Monday because tests showed it is a husky, malamute, chinook and German shepherd mix, Arnott said.
The proposed ordinance passed its first reading 5-2, with Councilmen Danny Wells and Duane Haskins voting against it.
"I don't want to single people out because they have different interests," Wells said. "I want to see less government in people's lives. If you have something out of the ordinary, come down to the police station and put it on record."
The city also recently received reports of an alligator in a DeCamp Street house, although there is some dispute about whether the 33.5-inch freshwater alligator really is kept there.
The new ordinance comes with a bite, at least theoretically. A judge can determine a fine for anyone who violates it.
"I don't think we'll get a ton of complaints," Tinnin said, "But with the wolf-dog (situation), this would have allowed us to take action immediately."
Mayor Charles Smiley said he thinks the ordinance will be difficult to enforce and that it won't fully protect people from dangerous animals because even some domestic dogs can be vicious.
Residents can give their opinions on the issue in the next two weeks. The council is expected to discuss the issue again May 19.
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by Fishmich on May 7, 2008
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thats hitting pretty close to home for me. im roughly a half hour outside of burton. not being a resident of burton, is there something i could do that may have an effect on this?
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by tigers9 on May 7, 2008
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check this link with MSDOC files for contact
\http://www.rexano.org/DC_LOCAL.htm
since u r local, calling and meetign in person, goign to hearings to testify against it is the best way, better than email for outsiders, but every littl ebit helps.
have your friends and family show up in droves and oppose it.
Often these loal bans pass because nobody bothers to show up and oppose them and educate the local government
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by tigers9 on May 7, 2008
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http://www.rexano.org/LocalLegislative/LocalOrdinance.pdf
http://www.lacrossetribune.com/articles/2007/02/25/news/z03ord25.txt
Your Local Government Owner’s Manual: How to fight an ordinance
By Reid Magney | La Crosse Tribune
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As an owner of your local government, you are obligated to obey its ordinances — the laws passed by cities, villages and towns. But before ordinances become law, you also have the right to object or press for passage. This chapter of the Local Government Owners Manual will tell you how to influence your elected representatives on ordinances. Q: What is an ordinance? A: Ordinances are local laws that regulate everything from speed limits and sign sizes to government structure and spending. A zoning ordinance in your community may say how you can use your land and what you can build on it. Some ordinances carry fines if you violate them. Together, a local government’s ordinances make up its “municipal code,” a thick book read mostly by cops and city attorneys. Most ordinances aren’t controversial. But when they are, things get interesting. Remember La Crosse County’s exotic animal ordinance that didn’t pass because of opposition from snake owners? Remember the fights over smoke-free restaurants? Several new ordinances are being proposed in the area on issues related to smoking and to public intoxication. Ordinances shouldn’t be confused with ordnance, a term for military weapons. Q: How do you know if your local government is proposing an ordinance that affects you? A: It pays to read the newspaper, which usually writes stories about such things. In some zoning-related cases, you may get a legal notice if your property could be affected. If you have a business that’s regulated by local ordinances, you may want to introduce yourself to your council and board members, and ask for notice if changes are coming. Many local governments have their own rules for proposing and passing ordinances. But most boards and councils will consider an ordinance at two or more meetings before final passage. They’ll hold a public hearing to find out what you think before they vote. Q: How do I know if an ordinance affects me? A: When an ordinance that could affect you is proposed, the first step is to read it. Your municipal clerk will have copies. If you don’t understand it, don’t hesitate to ask officials from your local government to explain it to you. If it still doesn’t make sense, you may want to consult an attorney. La Crosse County Board Chairman Steve Doyle put it this way: “If it affects you directly and personally, you may want to hire a lawyer. If it’s an issue you’re interested in, you can handle it personally.”
Q: What’s the best way to oppose or support an ordinance? A: If you have strong feelings about whether a proposed ordinance should be passed, you need to make your voice heard. You can make personal contact, or public contact. Attorney Brent Smith of La Crosse said people and groups who are most effective do both. Doyle said the most effective means is a telephone call to your elected board or council representative. Some officials get very little feedback from the public, so “that one single phone call can change a board member’s vote,” Doyle said. You also can write a letter or send an e-mail, but if you do, make it your own words, not somebody else’s boilerplate argument. Also, don’t bother sending anonymous letters, Doyle said. Q: How do I find my elected representative’s name, address and phone number? A: In a perfect world, you remember his or her name from the most recent election. Many are listed in the phone book. If you don’t know who represents you, call your county, city, village or town clerk’s office and ask. Q: What else can I do? A: Petitions can be effective, especially if you get a lot of signatures. Just make sure they’re local residents, not people from out of town. Consider writing a letter to the editor of 250 words or less. You also can attend meetings, especially the public hearing. You don’t have to speak, but it helps, Smith said, “to have people come in and tell their stories, not just say this is good or bad.” If a group supports or opposes an ordinance, group leaders might want to pick people to testify who have “the most effective stories,” he said. Q: What if an ordinance passes that I don’t like? A: Then your most powerful ordnance is at the ballot box the next election. Reid Magney is the author of the Local Government Owners Manual. Got a suggestion or complaint? Call (608) 791-8211 or e-mail rmagney@lacrossetribune.com. Previous chapters of the Local Government Owners Manual are online at www.lacrossetribune.com/govmanual/
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by Cro on May 7, 2008
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The only warm blooded reptiles were perhaps some of the extinct Dinosaurs, and even that is just theory.
The fact that they are using the term "Cold Blooded Reptiles" makes me think that the term "Cold Blooded Mafia" that the NCARK folks use might have had some impact on the reporting ?
Never did care much for that Mafia term..........
Best Regards JohnZ
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by Chance on May 7, 2008
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"even that is just theory."
Ouch. Watch how you throw around that word so loosely. Not trying to detract from the serious nature of the thread, but the science teacher in me just can't let it slide. Theories in science are far more than just probable explanations - those would be hypotheses. Feel free to throw around that word whenever you want. Theories, on the other hand, are the explanations that allow scientific laws to make sense. As I keep telling my students:
Laws are only the OBSERVATION.
Theories provide the EXPLANATION.
You may now continue the discussion of the imminent doom of our hobby :)
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by tigers9 on May 7, 2008
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<<Theories provide the EXPLANATION>>
How about 'possible' explanation?
OK, I am all ears, who provides the truth and facts???
other than me of course;-)
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by Chance on May 8, 2008
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Hah, okay well if you want to argue semantics, then yes you're correct: anything science explains is only ever possible because it always changes with more information and discoveries. I usually make it pretty concrete for my students though because adding another layer of abstraction tends to only confuse them even more.
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by Cro on May 8, 2008
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Chance, I appreciate your efforts to help your students learn the scientific definitions of words, however, I prefer the everyday usage of the word, because the existance of Hot Blooded Dinosaurs is based on "speculation."
From Wikipedia:
"The word theory has a lot of distinct meanings in different fields of knowledge, depending on their methodologies and the context of discussion.
In science a theory is a testable model of the manner of interaction of a set of natural phenomena, capable of predicting future occurrences or observations of the same kind, and capable of being tested through experiment or otherwise verified through empirical observation. It follows from this that for scientists "theory" and "fact" do not necessarily stand in opposition. For example, it is a fact that an apple dropped on earth has been observed to fall towards the center of the planet, and the theories commonly used to describe and explain this behavior are Newton's theory of universal gravitation (see also gravitation), and the theory of general relativity.
In common usage, the word theory is often used to signify a conjecture, an opinion, or a speculation. In this usage, a theory is not necessarily based on facts; in other words, it is not required to be consistent with true descriptions of reality. This usage of theory leads to the common incorrect statements. True descriptions of reality are more reflectively understood as statements which would be true independently of what people think about them.
According to the National Academy of Sciences,
Some scientific explanations are so well established that no new evidence is likely to alter them. The explanation becomes a scientific theory. In everyday language a theory means a hunch or speculation. Not so in science. In science, the word theory refers to a comprehensive explanation of an important feature of nature that is supported by many facts gathered over time. Theories also allow scientists to make predictions about as yet unobserved phenomena."
Unfortunatly, the word is way to ingrained in everyday usage to restrict its use to the much more narrow scientific definition. Perhaps you can tell your students that when the word is used in Science, that it has a much more specific definition.
Best Regards JohnZ
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by Chance on May 8, 2008
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It's the tendency of people to use the phrase "just a theory" in relation to biological evolution, for example, that encourages me to always try to point out the difference between theory and hypothesis when they are used incorrectly. The whole reason there is a controversy over such things is because a lack of understanding of science.
I wasn't trying to point out anyone's ignorance or call anyone out - just trying to make sure discussions on this site, considering it is more or less scientific in nature, remain scientific in usage.
Thanks for posting the information though.
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