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New Photo in Snakes for Identification
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by Cro on July 12, 2008
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Ok folks, what do you think ????
Title: This was killed by locals in nigeria.
Description: Is this a gold's tree cobra?
See:
http://www.venomousreptiles.org/libraries/showfilepage/6272?offset=89
Best Regards John Z
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RE: New Photo in Snakes for Identification
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by Cro on July 12, 2008
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I am voting for this being a Gold's Tree Cobra, Pseudohaje goldii.
They are found in Nigeria.
They look like the snake in the photo, although the photo is just of the head and neck.
There is No Antivenom available for this snake.
That, and their fast mobility and temperment when cornered or provoked, make the Tree Cobras very dangerous snakes.
Very few of these snakes are on display at Zoos in the United States.
Best Regards John Z
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by LarryDFishel on July 15, 2008
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I'm not sure what it IS, but it's not Pseudohaje.
Vertical pupils, head scalation is wrong, too many teeth showing and no fang sheaths.
Looks culobridy to me.
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RE: New Photo in Snakes for Identification
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by Cro on July 15, 2008
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Larry, those vertical pupils bothered me also. I am changing my vote to Not A Treecobra, LOL .
I am also starting to wonder if the part about the snake being found in Nigeria is correct.
There is a snake on the other side of Africa on the island of Madagascar called the Madagascar Menarana Snake, Leioheterodon madagascariensis that looks extremely similar.
Too bad they only posted a photo of the head of the snake.
Perhaps the location information is wrong ?
Best Regards John Z
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by Cro on July 15, 2008
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Here is something of interest:
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.monkeyfrog.com/images/venomous/african_tree_cobra.JPG&imgrefurl=http://www.monkeyfrog.com/venomouspicspage.html&h=235&w=499&sz=42&hl=en&start=2&um=1&tbnid=Y5AQQv9rVGXZ3M:&tbnh=61&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3D%2B%2522GOLD%2527S%2BTREE%2BCOBRA%2522%26as_st%3Dy%26ndsp%3D21%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address%26rlz%3D1I7GGLJ%26sa%3DN
And they have that photo labled as Gold's Tree Cobra. It is fairly similar looking to the Nigerian snake.
Perhaps the vertical looking pupil in the photos is some sort of distortion from the snake being killed ?
Best Regards John Z
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by LarryDFishel on July 15, 2008
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I wondered if the eye might just be damaged, but I don't think so.
There is certainly a strong resemblance (possibly enough to be called a mimic if they ARE from the same area), but after blowing up the Tree Cobra photo, I can see the ring of pre/postocular scales that match the description I found here:
http://www.cyberlizard.plus.com/elaphidae_pseudohaje.html
Very different from the photo in question.
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by Cro on July 15, 2008
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Larry, that is a very good list of the scalation that you found.
Gosh, I wish I had my African Reptile Books handy.
Seems that good photos of tree cobras are very difficult to find.
Lets keep researching this one and see what more we can find. Some sort of mimic is something worth considering.
Also, please EMail my your Snail Mail address again. I want to get a prototype of the Elapid First Aid to you.
Best Regards John Z
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