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by pictigaster1 on February 20, 2009
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I remember years ago when breeders would not breed albino to albino.The reason being was genetic problems .Nowadays it seems that the only thing that matters is selling high end herps.My question is does it really matter if you breed white to white.Is a het pairing more sound for the offspring.At what point should you make hets by outbreeding.I have my own ideas on this I would like to here others.The other question I have is about breeding siblings.I have seen some messed up in bred snakes and heard of worse.I was wondering .People often offer pairs that are sibs and I hate that .Take a look at a group of say 10 leucistic texas rats.5 of 10 are bug eyed.Many other genetic problems have also occurred .So what do you think breeders lets have some educated answers please...............Archie
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by Cro on February 20, 2009
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Archie, I have seen many examples of animals that turned out weaker and undersized because of inbreeding. I really do not think it is a albino x albino or albino x het thing, all are inbred to some extend, and all are more likely to have problems.
Go to a reptile show, and look at all of the newborn designer corn snakes and king snakes. They are born so small, that they can barely eat a extra tiny pink. They are much, much smaller than the young that corn and king snakes produce in the wild. That has to be a result of too many generations of inbreeding to produce those morphs.
There are some very famous herpers who specialize in these designer corn snakes, and they seem to be more concerned with making money than the welfare of the animals they produce.
It makes me sad when some youngster comes to my table to buy frozen pink mice for the tiny corn snake they have just bought on the other side of the reptile show, and I see that even 3 or 4 day old pinks are way too big for that snake to eat.
The only thing a snake like that can eat are day old pinks, and those sell out very fast, and are difficult to get. And the kid is not likely to find day old pinks at his local pet store when he gets home.
I sure wish these designer snake dealers would take the time to put some size on those tiny snakes they sell, before they bring them to the shows. They are really doing a disservice to the reptile community and to their customers, by selling tiny snakes like that that will likely die much of the time.
So, this is not exactly an answer to your question, but it is related enought that I think it is important.
When you are inbreeding snakes to create morphs, the more you can bring in outside bloodlines, the better.
The more you inbreed, the more chance that fatal mutations will surface.
Best Regards
John Z
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by FSB on February 23, 2009
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John, that's a great post, and you should put this on the "hottest topics" list. particulary like the following part: "I sure wish these designer snake dealers would take the time to put some size on those tiny snakes they sell, before they bring them to the shows." Me too. Even though snakes, of course, don't nurse, there should be a generally-agreed upon "weaning period" of a few to several weeks.
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by AquaHerp on February 23, 2009
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That's why I don't breed the morphs and stick to those species that I personally feel need to be captive bred. Each to his own but I like the challenge of the trickier ones and those that may be in demand but not bred with any regularity.
I never sell anything that's not already a strong feeder.
Working on some AI projects now in the lab. We'll see.
DH
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by pictigaster1 on February 23, 2009
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Albino"s were in the question but it was about inbreeding in general.Doug how do you feel about sibling breeders .
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