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by tigers9 on July 2, 2009
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Few days ago a 3 year old boy was killed at night by family dogs when he went to the yard alone. 47 news sources reported on the story according to google news. No calls to ban dogs have been reported.
Few days ago 2 year old girl was killed by family python at night, 873 news sources (number is going up) reported on the story, with calls for exotic bans, as seen on google news.
Now, I own exotics and domestics, but this is unfair and insane.
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by Cro on July 2, 2009
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Z, you are right, it is unfair and insane.
However, it is the media.
Do you really expect them to be fair ?
Do you really expect them to be accurate ?
They are agenda driven.
They have no honesty or inegrity anymore.
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by pitbulllady on July 2, 2009
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Actually, there IS a very strong push to ban certain types of dogs, based solely on their physical appearance. Look at this: http://www.tylerpaper.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090701/NEWS01/907019991
There is also what I can only describe as a hate group, Dogsbite.org , which is dedicated to wiping out all "fighting breeds" from the face of the earth, and they have a lot of support. The HSUS and PETA, are, of course, against the continued breeding and keeping of all domesticated animals, but dogs especially, and PETA is equally as vocal as any group in demanding the genocide of every last "pit bull" in existance. Thing is, just as "Rattlesnake" or "Water Mocassin" is a generic catch-phrase for every snake seen by someone who knows nothing about snakes, doesn't want to know and is terrified of snakes, "pit bull" is a term used to describe any and all medium-to-large short-haired dogs of muscular(or not)build, or any dog which does something bad, or any dog that is simply perceived as threatening. Think about how many dogs that actually applies to, especially since virtually every piece of BSL legislature that has been proposed or implemented across the country includes, in its definition of the banned breeds, "having physical characteristics similar to". Denver, CO, which has a strict ban on "pit bulls" in place, has a 15-point checklist for suspicious neighbors, cops, AC officers, etc., to use to determine if a dog is a "pit bull". A dog need only match THREE out of the 15 to be considered a "pit bull", and those points include, "round eyes", "short hair", "thin tail", "ANY color", "broad head"-how many dogs have you seen that could match any three of those?
We accomplish nothing, though, with an "Us vs. THEM" mentality, when it comes to keeping other animals. We are all in it together, and we face a common enemy, who want to put an end to ALL human-animal contact, period. Every time I see someone lament that "dogs kill more people, why aren't 'they' going after dogs", I can go elsewhere on the web and see a dog owner, often an owner of a targeted breed/type, saying, "Look at what happened with that snake down in Florida! Why are 'they' picking on Pit Bulls/Rottweilers/Akitas/Dobermans when they need to be going after these horrible snakes and the idiots who keep them!" This is how the HSUS,API, and PETA win: divide and conquer.
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by tigers9 on July 2, 2009
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I know there is push for breed specific, BSL legislation, I own dobemrmans and wolf hybrids, but it is not as bad as against exotics, which I also own.
No matter what, bad laws are against my pets, and yeah, i have reptiles too in addition t BSL dogs and big cats, , including Nile monitor which often gets banned too.
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by tigers9 on July 2, 2009
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another example why i say NO TO BANS AND REGULATION, a s u can see here, good regualtion is not enought for our enemies,often leads to bans eventually,... this guy broke existing law/regualtionlaw, ok, ban them, and bad peopel will still break the law, ...
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http://www2.tbo.com/content/2009/jul/02/021604/toddlers-death-renews-calls-ban-importing-pythons-/news-breaking/
Toddler's death renews calls to ban importing pythons to Florida
The Associated Press
By KEITH MORELLI | The Tampa Tribune
Published: July 2, 2009
Updated: 04:04 pm
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Shaiunna Hare
The suffocation of a 2-year-old Sumter County toddler by a Burmese python is adding to attempts by The Nature Conservancy, the Humane Society of the United States and U.S. Sen. Bill Nelson to ban the importation of the constricting beasts.
A family in Oxford in rural Sumter County woke Wednesday morning to find the pet Burmese albino python wrapped around Shaiunna Hare, squeezing the breath - and life - out of her. Charles Jason Darnell, 32, stabbed his nearly 9-foot-long pet to loosen its grip and pulled the child out, but it was too late.
Seldom do pythons attack humans, but when they start looking for a meal they can be unpredictable, experts say.
"Any time big snakes get hungry, they get on the prowl," said Vernon Yates, director of the Wildlife Rescue and Rehabilitation in Seminole. "When they get on the prowl, that can be a problem. They are just eating machines. They know to survive and that's all they know."
Wildlife authorities say it may be the first documented python attack on a human in Florida, but that's not to say the species has slithered under the radar.
For almost two decades, pythons have been working their way into Florida's wilderness, particularly the Everglades, and that has government and wildlife officials on a collision course with the reptile. Earlier this year, Nelson introduced legislation to amend federal law to add pythons to the list of injurious non-native species that are prohibited from being imported into the United States.
Nelson's press secretary, Bryan Gulley, said this morning that what happened in Sumter County could spur the legislation, which is being reviewed by the Committee on Environment and Public Works.
"It certainly brings more attention to the issue, which could help our cause," he said from his office in Washington. At the very least, "it will make someone wanting to get one of these snakes to think twice about it. If we outlaw these snakes from being imported, eventually we won't have an issue with people having them as pets."
Banning the importation will cut down on the proliferation of pythons and other reptiles of concern into Florida, he said, although the species seems pretty well established in the Everglades and is spreading to the Keys and moving farther north in the state.
"That's one of the concerns the senator has," Gulley said. "You're getting these snakes appearing outside wilderness areas and possibility ending up in suburban areas, and that can be a real threat. They clearly are a threat to small children and pets."
The impetus for the legislation was the impact on the environment, but with the attack in Sumter this week, there's now a public safety issue, he said.
"We already know it's wreaking havoc on the native species in the Everglades," Gulley said, "and as we learned yesterday, there's a broader threat to children as well."
Beth Preiss, director of the Exotic Pets Campaign of the Humane Society of the United States, said her organization supports Nelson's bill.
"It's just the kind of proactive approach needed," she said. "Once a species gets established in an environment, it's impossible and maybe even inhumane to get it out, depending on the manner of capture."
From her office in Gaithersburg, Md., Preiss has been following the events out of Sumter County.
"It's so sad," she said. "Taking these animals out of the trade is the approach we think is right.
"We recommend against getting large constrictor snakes as pets. This incident shows some of the tragic consequences that can happen."
Some states regulate the ownership of the constrictors and some don't, she said, so there's no reliable numbers of how many people are python or boa owners.
She said that probably more than one household in every 25 has a large snake as a pet.
"If ever there was a case for an animal that should not be a pet, a large constrictor snake like a Burmese python is one," she said. The problem is "they are very available. You can order them over the Internet" with no permits required.
She said that since 2006, three other people - all adults with experience handling large constrictors - were killed in the United States by pythons.
Nelson's legislation also is backed by The Nature Conservancy, which for the past three years has waged war against the species infiltration into Florida's wetlands.
Burmese pythons can grow as long as 20 feet and weigh 250 pounds. More than 300 pythons were found around Everglades National Park last year, three times the number in 2005, the conservancy said.
A step in solving the problem is to eradicate the python from the pet trade altogether, the conservancy said, because most of the snakes found in the wild started out as pets and either escaped or got too large and were released by owners who couldn't handle them any more.
In Sumter, the slithery killer was found under a dresser and was taken alive Wednesday afternoon. It is being kept by state wildlife officials, who are treating it for stab wounds, said Sumter sheriff's Lt. Bobby Caruthers. He said veterinarians said the snake likely will recover from the wounds.
An autopsy of the toddler conducted this morning revealed "what we expected," Caruthers said, "that the manner of death was by asphyxiation."
There were bite marks, he said, on the child's forehead and upper arms.
No charges have been filed, but the investigation continues, he said.
"The family is in grief right now," he said. "We're going to complete our investigation, and when it is completed we will review it with the State Attorney's Office, and at that point we will decide if any charges will be filed. There's no timetable."
"This is a very bizarre and horrible incident," he said. "The family is very emotional. That's the obvious reaction. They are taking it very hard."
The incident has an impact on more than just the family, he said.
"Oxford is a small town and a lot of folks are related to each other and know each other," he said. "Something like this doesn't just affect immediate family, but the whole community."
Kirsten Darnell, a close relative, tearfully told reporters Wednesday about Shaiunna, "She's just loving and she never did anything bad."
Charles Darnell, the boyfriend of Shaiunna's mother, Jaren Hare, 23, does not have a permit to own a Burmese python, a species classified as a "reptile of concern," wildlife officials said. Owning the snake without the permit, which cost $100, would be a second-degree misdemeanor.
Reporter Keith Morelli can be reached at (813) 259-7760.
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by CSdeadboy2009 on July 2, 2009
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You need to dig more. I own pit bull dogs here in Texas and my self, and other pit owners are under constant assault by law makers trying to have our dogs destroyed. I also keep large constrictors and venomous but as far as litigation go's Herp law is no ware near as bad as it is for dogs. not even close. I don't want to sound mean but sorry, My dog is in more danger from law makers then your snake.
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by CSdeadboy2009 on July 2, 2009
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Do you live in Texas ? Dig deeper, Because with all respect you are wrong. More states in this so called union want Pit Bull dogs dead the they want Venomous reptiles and large constrictors banned. Notice I say dead and not banned. Yes that's how they want it. Stop crying and go do something about it before it gets as bad as it is with my dogs.
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by pitbulllady on July 2, 2009
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CSDeadboy is right; I can take one of my snakes, even my big Boa girl, to a pet show and people are far more curious than anything else. Once in a blue moon I'll run into someone who is adamant that these animals should be banned, but for the most part, the reactions are more positive than negative. Even adults who are themselves afraid to touch a snake will still allow their children to go up and touch one I'm holding. BUT, if I show up with my APBT, or even one of my Catahoulas that everyone THINKS is a "pit bull", I get few positive reactions at all! Most people draw back in fear, pulling their children close, with terrified gasps of "Oh, my GOD! That's a PIT BULL!!" THOSE are the mild reactions; I also get plenty of threats, plenty of accusations that I'm a "child killer", that I'm endangering everyone there, and a LOT of "they should kill every %^$# one of those f&^%#ing dogs!" plus lots of personal horror stories of "pit bulls" chasing them, biting them, scrating them, digging up their flower bed, chasing the cat, eating their Shih-Tzu, peeing on their car tires, etc. I've had people try to physically attack my dogs or threaten to find out where I live and come kill all of them. I've had people threaten ME because of the dogs I own. When my father recently had an insurace adjustor come out and re-evaluate the house and property, after he was forced to move in with me following the loss of his own home in a fire, the guy was fascinated with my snakes. I had to put my APBT in a kennel crate and hide her out an at old trailer I own down the road, because no insurance company would have touched us with a ten foot pole if they'd seen her. In my decades of keeping herps, including very large Boids, and exotics, including big cats and wolves, I have neve encountered anything near the raw hatred that I run into with my APBT's or whatever people think is one.
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by CSdeadboy2009 on July 2, 2009
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HaHa, I have had the same reaction to my dogs, yet they all want to see my rattle snake ! I own AmStaff's and get all the comments you can think of. Go to Westhimer with a retic around your shoulders and you get oooh's and ahhhh's. Show up with a Pit on a leash and you are as good as dead.
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