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by BGF on January 16, 2010
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John, the plural of anecdote is anecdotes, not data. Not only is there no data to support it but there are a number of thing against it
- there is no biochemical/biochemical principle that would allow for electrical denaturing of proteins in such a manner as ascribed by this 'treatment'
- if it worked, then the surround areas would also be damaged (which they aren't)
- these treatments (and other such folk remedies) almost invariably involve species that would normally be expected to be lethal (e.g. copperheads) so their survival is to be expected, not a testament of the treatment efficacy
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Bryan
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by BGF on January 16, 2010
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Minor correction, above it should say
- there is no biochemical/biophysical principle that would allow for electrical denaturing of proteins in such a manner as ascribed by this 'treatment'
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by BGF on January 16, 2010
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Major correction
- these treatments (and other such folk remedies) almost invariably involve species that would *NOT* normally be expected to be lethal (e.g. copperheads) so their survival is to be expected, not a testament of the treatment efficacy
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by LarryDFishel on January 17, 2010
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Countless random snakebite remedies have been enecdotally "proven" to work because someone tried them and found that their bite did not get very bad.
What a lot of people somehow don't seem to grasp (or ignore) is that thousands of people who do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING have the same result...
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by FSB on January 17, 2010
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Personally, my favorite folk snake-bite remedy is the one which involves burying the victim up the neck in manure.
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by Cro on January 17, 2010
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Fred, the burying someone in manure just might have a basis in fact.
The first thing that many cats or dogs that have been bitten by a venomous snake do, is to often run off for a few days to a swampy / muddy area. And these animals often survive the bite, and come home after several days living in a swamp, covered with mud.
Do they instinctively know that mud and clay have the ability to pull toxins from a wound ? This behavior has been documented thousands of times. There must be something to it.
Perhaps the old timers knew that manure would do the same thing ? Also, the high levels of ammonia in manure might even have some ability to denature snake venom.
There are still many unexplained things in this world.
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John Z
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by Nakita on January 17, 2010
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So John do you have a huge pile of manure at the ready should the unfortunate happen LOL?
In all seriousness from your posts you seem to believe there may be truth to some of these "cures". Out of curiousity would you trust your life to these folk remedies or call 911 ASAP?
On a side note I had a dog that got bit by a Copperhead when I was a youngster. In fact he did disappear for almost a week but when he came home he was not covered in dirt or mud and had a huge necrotic wound on his ribs that required extensive debridement and surgery. Guess he couldn't find any poop laying around ;)
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by FSB on January 18, 2010
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The zoo has a gigantic manure pile over 30 years in the making, but now that our new antivenom has finally arrived, I probably won't get a chance to try it out [damn!]. Hey Don - yeah, that was him. No doubt you heard that story before...
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by LarryDFishel on January 18, 2010
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John, I've never been bitten but viper bites are commonly described as causing an intense burning sensation. If I felt like I was on fire and I didn't know what was happening, rolling in mud might sound like a good idea too... And the same thing I said about humans applies to dogs. Most of them survive a bite without doing anything, so no matter how many of them rolled in mud and survived it proves very little...
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