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by CSdeadboy2009 on January 7, 2011
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I haven't been here in a while because I don't keep venomous anymore, but on occasion I do check in to see whats up. So far it does not look like much has changed. Folks come in and start up the venomoid debate and gets squashed, Legislation is discussed and the end of reptile and venomous reptile keeping is lamented and so on. This brings two things to mind for me. One was this year my Son had caught a bunch of Hemidactylus turcicus for an extra credit report he was doing for school. He had noticed that they can change color. The Teacher being a herp enthusiast had not herd such and all but called the boy a lire. He was proven wrong. The point ? Phd. dont mean you know it all. The venomoid debate is still happening and has not been resolved. It was asked if venomoid posters are trolls. The answer is yes most of the time they are. and that leads to another question I have. Me and a friend were discussing this while admiring some photos of an albino rattlesnake. is the hybridisation of venomous as well as other reptiles any more ethical then the creation of hybrids ? If so or if it is not ? No flame jobs pleas. You would think that with all the intelligent men and woman here that this wont be to hard. Another thing I have noticed is that Herper's are probably the most passionate about there hobby (profession for some) then any other that I can think of other then Gear heads. Sorry for rambling.
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by Cro on January 7, 2011
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E.C., first of all, an albino rattlesnake is not a hybrid. It is a natural mutation that occurs from time to time in nature. Just as all black rattlesnakes also occur. Or, rattlesnakes that have stripes where diamonds are supposed to be.
Breeding animals like that to keep the line going does serve a purpose in science, as it helps us learn how genetics in snakes work, and what traits are passed on to future generations.
It is far different from someone who would cross something like a copperhead and a cottonmouth, or, a eastern diamond-backed rattlesnake with a canebrake rattlesnake in captivity.
Even though those animals share the same habitats in nature, they rarely cross breed in the wild. Usually crosses like those are by folks who are more concerned with making money than learning something about science.
As far as your son making a observation on the behavior of geckos, good for him. There are many behaviors in reptiles that have not been documented yet. If your son's teacher called him a liar about the observation, it sounds like you should find a better teacher for your son. A good teacher, and a good scientist, should be open to new ideas and observations. Unfortunately, some of the teachers and scientists out there are threatened when someone challenges their beliefs. Those folks really should not be teaching.
Best Regards
John Z
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by CSdeadboy2009 on January 8, 2011
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I did not mean to sound like I was down on Albinos or morphs, And how could you be they just happen I just wonder if a member would get as many negative replies for making hybrids. For the record, I hate voids. Sorry if it sounded that way. I was thinking of critters like the "Gabino" I am not agents them or for them really. And this is the funny thing about the Gecko project, 1. if you google them you get this
http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/galveston/beneficials/beneficial-17_lizard_gecko.htm
And then this
The Mediterranean Gecko body is cylindrical, squat and sometimes flattened on the upper side. They have soft, granular skin that feels velvety to the touch. The coloration of a gecko is very important to their lifestyle. The skin is usually gray with several brownish-red to bright red spots and flecks. they have the ability to lighten or darken the coloring of their skin. They usually do so in order to blend in or to be less noticeable to other animals.
the guy was young so we forgive him. Spring and summer will be Millers Toads.
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by CanadianSnakeMan on January 10, 2011
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As far as hybrids and morphs, I have 2 sides to my opinion. The first thought that comes to mind is that a hybrid or a selectively bred morph tinkers with something that mother nature has spent millions of years perfecting. The flip side is the fact that without anomalies and mutatuions, species would never evolve to begin with.
With most of Earth's ecosystems declining rapidly the task of conservation will lie in the hands of enthusiastic hobbyists like us on top of the task that zoos have to face. That being said, I believe it is very important to keep a species the way it was meant to be, with un-corrupted DNA.
The other part of my brain recognizes that when morphs and hybrids are in high demand the impact on wild populations from collecting for the pet trade diminishes somewhat, so there is something to be said for them from a conservational standpoint.
At the end of the day, it's up to you and your own sensibilities and beliefs. I think it's a bit extreme to draw the comparison between hybridizing and venomoiding... at least a hybridized animal has all it's parts intact.
I personally don't believe in morphs/hybrids, but I can understand why others do.
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