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by pynstar on February 12, 2004
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i was watching a tv show the other day on pbs or somewhere on alligators and me thinking it was an educational on kept watching. these idoits were hunting gators to make belts and stuff. i mean where is law inforcement when you need it that is the same thing as poaching soon they are going to be wandering why they did not stop it before when the world is low on gators and crocs.
sorry it just makes me mad to see this kind of stuff happen and nothing done about it.
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by bobmcloughlin on February 12, 2004
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i agree, it is horrible what they do to them. it has happened in the past when we were once low on alligators, if it keeps up we will be in the same situation. i dont even like when they have to euthinize(spelling) them when they get over 8ft because they are considered dangerous. if their is somthing i could sign to stop this, tell me where.
Bob McLoughlin
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by foxhunter on February 13, 2004
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NOT nessesarliy a bad thing! the sustainable use of any species for food ..skins ..etc is fine as long as it doesnt harm the population over-all ..wich of course in the past our American gator was destroyed With No regulation to the point of endangered status..however By 2004 i can assure you that The American gator Is OVER POPULATED in many areas and A proper harvest and cull would benifit the total gator pop..and other native wildlife...
...Most Southern States have a gator season..with managed harvest controls and a permit system...So I doubt seriously that our gators will ever suffer that tradgey of what happened in in the past...What we really need to do is Shut down these uncontrolled Rattler round ups ..killing untold ..unknown numbers of Snakes..including Indigos..gopher totoises..etc..This is more damaging than ..licenced managed gator hunting!
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by pynstar on February 13, 2004
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but i still cioncider the killing of any animal just to make a stupid belt is poaching and there is nothing donbe. even in hunting like deer or something an animal should only be killed if it is used for food. many countries are over poputlated but we dont go off and "cull" them out do we. and its not hte animals that are running into our territories (spell?) they were here before we were. and i don't want to hear that its different with people being over populated and animals, because if anything gators take keep the blance in nature you kill them because there are over populated and the nature would become unbalanced the same with rattlers. its pathetic that these people go out and target a certain species because they think its dangerous, well news flash everyone a you can kill someone with a pen everything is dangerous, leave the gators alone and they will leave you alone.
and yet again my anger has gotten the better of me i must appologize for this but some topics just push my buttons
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by LarryDFishel on February 13, 2004
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"Poaching", by definition, is to take animals ILLEGALLY, so licensed hunting isn't poaching. If you just mean that you think it's wrong, that's an understandable position.
I would point out two things though:
1) In spite of what animal rights groups would have you think, most hunters wouldn't kill an animal just for a belt. Alligators are edible.
2) The problem with overpopulation is not the possible danger to humans (which I personally don't think is a valid reason to kill an animal...like you said, they were here first). The problem is that in the past we've wiped out a lot of the predators that eat small alligators, keeping them in check. The result is that in some areas they breed to the point where they threaten prey populations. If it's a choice between letting those people who choose to, hunt alligators and letting them eat every fish and bird in sight, then eachother and then starve by the thousands, then hunting sounds pretty good to me.
Now, if there are appropriate areas that can support alligators where there aren't any now, I would like to see relocations before hunting (or at least both), but I understand that can be problematic because alligators have something of a homing instinct.
I'll stop babbling now...
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by foxhunter on February 13, 2004
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DEAR pynstar..Didnt mean to rile you but You must understand that The world has changed and wildlife has to adapt along with all of us..unfortunatly we are trying to sqeeze into an ever tightening environment..This is why if we want healthy populations of our native species..that all people can utilize and enjoy ,..mangement is the key..this hands off., let nature take its course is the completely irresponsible and in this looming century would only spell disaster at the hands of developers and people who gain NO benefit from wildlife...Ive been an an animal prof for many years and seen tthe amazing turn around in places like Africa and Central America when people are given ecomomic incentive to benifit from the controled harvest of thier native species..Poaching becomes non-exsistent and the wildlife takes on a new status..i am convinced that people and wildlife can survive together..but the habitat in the world is shrinking and management and control is how we are going to preserve for the future..You or I might not wear an alligator belt... But ..If someone does ..it certainly doesnt hurt the Gator population...
......Understanding Wildlife and Animal population dynamics is more than just knee-jerk emotional reaction..requires some pragmatic thought!... We get enough of that Silly Cater-wawling from P.E.T.A and the likes..lord knows dont wanna be there???
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by cottonmouth on February 14, 2004
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I think gator populations were doing just fine for 10,000 yrs before the english came over. We need not kill them for any reason!
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by Sue on February 16, 2004
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I live in Louisiana where we have a thriving alligator population and an alligator hunting season. Most alligator skins used for belts, etc. come from alligator farms - not from the wild. In fact, we had a local alligator farmer who just let all of his go in one of our local rivers since the price of alligator skins is so low. Now we have a thriving population of alligators where traditionally there hasn't been one before (and I live a long way from a swamp). Totally irresponsible and stupid of him. But those same alligator farms were how Louisiana was able to restock the swamps and increase the population in the wild. The alligator population in Louisiana is not endangered.
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by Nakita on February 16, 2004
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One of the biggest problems surrounding this issue is the fact that because people have such a passion for the animals they fail to see the need for a legal controlled harvest.
While it is certainly true that the population regulated itself before man arrived on the scene those days are long gone. We have destroyed their habitat to make room for ourselves, we have killed off the predators which helped to keep populations in check and yet we foolishly believe that the animals can naturally regulate their own population.
For this reason it has become necessary to regulate population through sound wildlife management. This means protection when populations are low or in danger and on the flip side, controlled harvest when populations become too high for the available environment to sustain.
It is all too easy to sit back and admonish this practice unless one has witnessed first hand the effects that unnaturally high populations of any species can have on the environment.
Groups such as PETA fall into this category of being completely irrational when it comes to issues such as this. These people live in houses that used to be natural habitat, they drive cars on roads that have destroyed natural migration paths, they use products in their everyday life that causes waste which in turn pollutes the environment. Yet many of these so called animal lovers live in urban areas or have not had to deal with the issues caused by wildlife left unchecked. I have personally met members of this group who were protesting the killing of animals while they stood there wearing leather shoes and leather belts.
The bottom line folks is that until we are willing to give up the majority of pleasures/conveniences that we have grown accustomed to then there will remain a need for the killing of wildlife as they try to reclaim a foothold on the very territory they once inhabited.
Regards,
Jackie Lapradd
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by spankey on March 3, 2004
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Hi guys,
I think if your going to weary about a crocodilian it should be american crocodiles. alligators are all over south eastern states. but american crocs are only in south Florida.
Jason
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