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by Phobos on August 26, 2004
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Hey Guys:
We all have different strenghts and weeknesses. That's why this forum is so valuable. Sharing information and experiences "Breeds" a better Herptoculturists.
Be safe and take care,
Al
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by Chance on August 26, 2004
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I completely agree with Al. I made a mistake in my original post and it was pointed out in a courteous manner. This thread has really turned into something I see as being productive, and if only other threads could do the same, this hobby of ours would probably hold together better. Besides, it's a good thing to deviate occasionally from the "I hate venomoids" or the "He/she is a horrible keeper" threads every once in a while, right? ;)
Being that I'm on my way to earn my degree in biology and then get my certificate to teach it on the high school level, I personally love threads like this where real, serious things can be discussed in an adult manner.
-Chance
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by Phobos on August 26, 2004
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Hey Chance:
I'm glad we all had a positive learning experience from this thread. God knows we've both seen many counterprodutive threads on this forum. Including some that were just downright unfair to you. Unfortunately many Anonymous posters go "Fangs Out" just because they can; which benefits no one.
Best,
Al
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by elapidking81 on August 27, 2004
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I couldnt agree more with you both, getting along and comming together is what its all about sometimes were wrong and sometimes were right on most topics but hey if we all new it all and nobody was wrong then what would we talk about LOL.In husbandry they are diffrences of opinion the best way to figure out which is the best we need to let it out and not be affraid to disscuse things.
shane :-)
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by pygmybait on August 27, 2004
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O.k.....group hug. I'm glad my ignorance has helped us all come together. Now that I ahve read and re-read all of the replies, i think I may not be quite as worried about back breeding as I originally was. I'm still not a fan of it but as long as none of the animals have to ride the short bus to the expos, it's all good.
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by Joy on August 27, 2004
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I feel warm and fuzzy!
So I have to throw something out.
How do you guys FEEL about breeding for color morphs?
Personally, I think it is a GREAT thing for herps and their keepers. Yes, these animals are never going to make it in the wild. But if brightly colored corn snakes and pythons will turn average folks on to the reptiles, maybe they will be more careful and respectful of wild populations. Maybe they will learn something about wild reptiles and pass that on. Who knows, maybe they will stop their neighbor from stomping the next rat snake that shows up on the porch.
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by Phobos on August 27, 2004
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New Flash!! Peace comes to SHHS Expert forum...What's next Iraq?
My personal feeling is we should not be messing with a species genetic make up just for fun & enjoyment. If a genetic manuipulation is beneficial for the species or is in the interest of medical science then it's okay.
Just because you can; does not mean you should.
XXOO,
Al
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by Chance on August 28, 2004
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I believe that breeding for color morphs is just fine. It is the color morphs that keep much of the entire herp hobby alive. When keepers think of cornsnakes, very few will only picture the typical wild type. Most will picture albinos, snows, aneries, yadda yadda yadda. I'm currently working with a couple of genetic anomalies in reticulated pythons (namely Type I albinos and tigers), so of course I'm probably a little biased. But I believe you are exactly right Joy, if it takes crazy colors and patterns to get people to notice that snakes and other herps aren't slimy and nasty, then great! There certainly are plenty to go around!
I do believe though that some degree of responsibility should be kept up when breeding for certain genetic traits. The more diverse your bloodline is, the better. For instance, if I really wanted to get albinos and only had one albino and one normal of the opposite sex, I'd breed those two, then breed some of the offspring back to the albino parent to get more albinos in a reasonable time frame. As it was previously discussed, one or two generations of line breeding is pretty safe. However, I'd then breed the resulting progeny out to as many different bloodlines as I could to try to strengthen the line while still producing albinos. If you notice, certain genetic mutations in herps come with their own problems, such as one of the strains of albinism in common boas. I can't remember which strain, but one is known for coming out with differently-sized eyes and such. That is likely due to someone irresponsibly breeding parent to offspring, sibling to sibling, over and over again, greatly shallowing that gene pool.
Anyway, I like morphs because of how they look. Don't get me wrong, I love a normal wild type retic, especially with the immense variation out there just with that. However, albinos, and especially lavendars and purples, just can't be beat, IMO.
-Chance
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by Phobos on August 28, 2004
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Yes, I agree with the premis that Joy stated about getting herps noticed in a different light , so to speak. God knows that herps get enough bad press from mostly irrasponsable individuals that should not been keeping snakes to begin with. I'm not totally against responsable breeders bringing forth "exotic" colors as long as it is not found to have a detrimental impact on the animals life. I too like to see all of the unusual colored corns and other snakes that have been produced. As for me; I like the original specifications.
Al
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