My Disagreement with a "Scute"
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Kenneth L. Duke, Jr.
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September 22, 2006
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Snakes have fascinated me, like many people, for my whole life. I grew up in Southern Indiana catching and releasing snakes in the wild as a kid. I graduated to keeping non-venomous snakes and then to keeping and working with venomous snakes.
In Arizona, I assisted the Cochise County Sheriff's Office and the Arizona Game and Fish Department with venomous reptile capture, rescue, holding and relocation. I also conducted educational presentations, including venomous and non-venomous snakes, to various groups and schools. I had special holding and capture permits from AZ Game and Fish. I was (and am) a member of the Arizona Herpetological Association (www.sloanmonster.com) and a volunteer for their snake relocation program. I also was (and am) a member of the Michigan Society of Herpetologists (www.michherp.org) and a viewer of the Southeastern Hot Herp Society web page (www.venomousreptiles.org).
I spent some time in Florida and assisted with the handling of many exotic venomous snakes including: Ophiophagus Hannah, Dendroaspis angusticeps, Bitis gabonica and Dendroaspis polyepsis among others.
I had handled, kept, milked and released hundreds of rattlesnakes and was as “comfortable” as I felt was possible with the handling and behavior of rattlesnakes. At the time I had 12 non-venomous species, 2 Crotalus atrox and 2 Crotalus scutulatus. The “scutes” were from the Cochise County area where the AZ Poison Control Center and some toxicologists are concerned that there may be some especially toxic “scutes”, not just with the Type A mojavetoxin but other unidentified toxic properties, based on the severity of bites and the resulting deaths.
On Saturday, June 3, 2006, I had unlocked and opened the cage of a particularly nasty “scute” to fill up the water bowl and to feed it. The snake was at the opposite end of the cage and I reached in with 18” tongs to grab the water bowl. Before I knew it (how many times have you heard that?) I got tagged on my right index finger between the first and second knuckles. I only got 1 fang as the other broke off on the tongs. I locked the cage and noticed a drop of venom on the outside of the fang mark so I knew it wasn't a dry bite.
Although I never expected to get bitten, I knew it was always a possibility so I didn't panic. I wiped the venom off my finger and immediately felt the “burn” associated with rattlesnake bites. I went in the house and told my 16 year old son, Jose', that I just took a bite from one of the rattlesnakes and here is where I made a decision contrary to common belief that probably saved my life. I decided to drive myself to the hospital and here's why.
Our local hospital has had some issues in the past with snakebite victims. Since I knew there were some toxicological concerns with the local “scutes” I wanted to be sure the treating physicians knew exactly what they were dealing with, what symptoms were likely to occur and what to do about them. I also wanted to be awake long enough to let them know that I knew what I was talking about and knew exactly what type of snake bit me. I didn't think I had time to call paramedics, explain everything to them, get taken to the hospital and explain everything again.
The hospital was only 4 or 5 miles away and I made it there within 5 minutes of the bite. By the way, I told my son to tell my wife about the bite AFTER I had left for the hospital. I knew there would be drama there because my wife is not a snake fan.
At the hospital, I was ushered into the ER immediately and began telling the physicians that I was bitten by a Mojave rattlesnake, Crotalus scutulatus, with Type A venom, showed them the bite site and explained the progression of my symptoms. About a minute later, my lips and the fingers of my left hand, the one not bitten, started tingling. The burning sensation, which REALLY f-ing hurts by the way, continued to progress into my right hand.
I started feeling weak and began to experience tunnel vision. The tingling in my lips and hand turned to numbness and the tunnel vision began to get worse until I could not see. About 15 minutes after the bite I passed out. My airway started closing and, even with the smallest gauge airway tube, they could barely get me intubated. The tube scraped down my throat because of the swelling and my mouth filled with blood. They gave me 6 vials of CroFab and sent me to the University Medical Center in Tucson via helicpter.
At the UMC Intensive Care Unit, I was given 48 more vials of CroFab and was unconscious for 10 days. The doctors told my wife that they did not know from minute to minute while I was out if I would make it or not. I stayed in ICU for 15 days and was released. I lost 30 pounds and was very weak for about a month and a half.
Because of the Type A venom, I did not have a lot of local tissue damage and did not lose my finger. The doctors and toxicologists are not sure whether it was the extra strong venom of the Cochise County “scute”, but I did have an anaphylactic reaction to the venom itself not the CroFab. Chris Harper of the Southeastern Hot Herp Society wrote an informative article about this a few years ago. It is possible that my handling and close contact with rattlesnakes over the years caused me to develop an allergy to the venom.
An MD/toxicologist and a toxicologist in Tucson are using my blood and the venom from the snake to try and isolate the toxin that may or may not be present in the Cochise County “scutes”. They will also discover if I was actually allergic to the venom.
My stay at the local hospital (under 1 hour) cost $16,000. The helicopter flight from there to Tucson cost $13,000. My stay at the hospital in Tucson cost $300,000 - very expensive for a hobby that was not bringing any money in.
AZ Poison Control Center has my rattlesnakes and I had to get rid of my non-venomous snakes, too because my wife will not tolerate snakes around the house after my near-death experience.
A member of the AHS once said, “What works a million times may not work a million and one”. This pretty much sums up my experience.
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by vanerka on September 26, 2006
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That sucks, did insurance help out at all with the bills??????..... Although these are the risks that venomous keepers take and are willing to accept. And if your not ready or willing to accept these responsibilities you shouldnt be a venomous owner. As foolish as it may seem to some I understand driving yourself to the hospital. You also would have had to wait a longer period of time for the ambulance to arrive anyway. Assuming you dont live right next to the hospital. A man once said there are thoes who have been bitten and there are other to be bit. As in many hobbies theres up and down. The only difference is ours has possibly dibilitating and even fatal consiquences for accidents. I found this article very interesting to the insights of keeping venomous.
Thanks
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by svsnakes on September 26, 2006
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Thanks for the support. Because of my job, the insurance can't drop me, but they tried. Yes, they did pay most of it.
I do have to disagree with your friend's statement. Although it is highly likely that you will be bitten eventually if you keep hots-it is your choice. If I was more careful I wouldn't have been bitten. As far as I am concerned (and people don't like to hear this) if you are bitten it's like having an accidental discharge with a firearm. It's not accidental you did something wrong.
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by Voided37 on September 27, 2006
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Kenneth,
Whoa! It hurts just reading it.
First i gotta say how glad i am it was no worse than it was. Which was way too bad. I'm just glad your still here!
Second i want to thank you for sharing your experience. If it helps someone else avoid what you went through that's a little consolation for you and an immense help for someone else.
I'm curious if you voluntarily turned your hots in or were you required to? Nobody can blame you regardless for stopping that particular hobby. But did the state require it?
I appreciate and share your feelings for snakes. And i gotta tell you thanks for that also.
I took a dry Cottonmouth bite so i can only imagine the anxiety you went through before you got help.
Again thank you for sharing with us.
Sincerely,
Steve
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by svsnakes on September 27, 2006
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No the state did not require that I give up the snakes. I assume that is because I had the permits, but, the way I understand it (a little disclaimer since I'm not a lawyer)in AZ you can keep up to 4 rattlesnakes of each species without a permit as long as they're not protected species. I only had 2 atrox and 2 scutes. I didn't even have any contact with state authorities other than informally with friends of mine. I voluntarily gave my snakes to Poison Control for their research. They said that if I ever wanted them back I could have them.
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by vanerka on September 27, 2006
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Yes, but in most cases its the small accidents that can turn dangerous. That was just random comment and nothing was ment by it. I apologize. I understand your viewpoint completely. As far as the insurance goes, i read somewhere that if your bitten it goes down on insurance forms as attempted suicide. Now whether thats through health insurance, or life insurance im not quite shure, and i dont exactly remember where I read it but I have gone awhile understanding this was the way insurance companies handeled envenomations...
Thanks, Eric Vanerka
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by Voided37 on September 27, 2006
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Aha..
Thanks for the quick response.
I'm glad to hear they didn't require it. That's excellent. See, i agree with
you that the snake will do what snakes do. And we must know that and prepare
for it. But hey, friend, we all get a little lax or circumstances seem to
conspire and first thing we know...DoDo happens. That was some expensive DoDo,
hunh? But at least the state didn't add insult to injury and require you give
them up like your in the wrong or something. Look at Bill Haast. 170something
times...
I hope you don't blame yourself because you've been through enough.
Sincerely,
steve
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by FangTwo on April 15, 2007
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An experience like this is unfortunate although, a dangerous hobby indeed, these are amazing creatures to have. I myself have a Mojave Green and 3 Southern Pacific Rattlers. I am glad to read you survived. I have never tried to handle these snakes and there is always something between my hand/arm and the snake when I am in the tanks.
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by MojaveMan on November 17, 2008
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Yeah, that type A mojave toxin can be a show stopper. Sounds like your snake wasn't in captive mood and you got a very full dose, good thing it was just one fang, you were fortunate, how long had the snake been in captivity before the bite? I hope the wife relents and allows the snakes back, I will admit that can be a tall order.
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by svsnakes on November 17, 2008
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I had the snake for about a year. Like I said, it was my fault. I got careless. As of yet, the wife hasn't relented on the snakes, but I'm working on her about getting a ball. I doubt she'll ever relent on hots, but divorce is an option. Stay safe.
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