Are You Really Prepared?
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ARE YOU REALLY PREPARED?
I’ll bet the answer is—NO!
©2000 Manny Rubio
During the four hours of my return flight from visiting a friend in Arizona, who was recovering from a serious Mojave Rattlesnake (Crotalus scutulatus) envenomation, I had considerable time for reflection on the implications of interrelating with venomous animals.
My friend’s snakebite
My friend has been handling snakes and other animals for many more years than he would like to admit, and has spent the past fifteen years professionally milking Mojave Rattlesnake venom to supply research labs. He is conscientious, methodical, and fully aware of the implications of what he is doing-- not the type who takes chances. Incidentally, his facility is in a small, isolated community, 120 air miles from the nearest properly equipped hospital.
[Ironically, the venom he collects is used to produce the new CroFab antivenin (C. Harper, New anti venom, CroFab, hits the market. SHHS fall 2000), and none was available for him.]
While holding the snake’s head in the prescribed three-fingered grip he has used thousands of times, it twisted scratching him on the knuckle of his index finger with one fang. The scratch was superficial, so much so that it was difficult to squeeze out any blood. Being completely aware of what happened, he chose to be cautious and applied an EXTRACTOR in less than a minute, successfully removing a quantity of blood and associated fluids. Simultaneously he called the local volunteer fire department and EMTs (located less than a half mile away) to alert them to the possible implications, and to make preparations if they were needed. To expedite transferring him to the hospital, a medical emergency helicopter was put on hold. Calls were made to the two major hospitals within his area to alert them, the Tucson Medical Center and a closer hospital.
[Incidentally, he is a volunteer fireman in his community, and had been a professional fireman in the past, so he is well versed in all the necessary emergency procedures. Because of his venom production facility, and another somewhat clandestine one nearby, the volunteers have considerably more than basic training to respond to snakebites. They had an opportunity to utilize their snakebite protocol a year earlier when a Western Diamondback (Crotalus atrox) envenomated a local 11-year-old boy. The response and procedures went smoothly and he survived.]
In a few minutes reactions to the bite were unmistakable, and emergency procedures were enacted. EMTs inserted two IVs and transported him to the helipad at the firehouse. Weather was a problem, it was windy and rainy, so the helicopter was uncertain it could respond. Weather conditions were very bad in Tucson, so the closer hospital was chosen. Symptoms increased rapidly, his lips were numbing, his legs and stomach were cramping, and he was passing into and out of consciousness. The pain was intense, unbearable.
Fortunately the weather broke enough for the helicopter to land. While flying to the hospital (within 35-40 minutes of the envenomation) he lost consciousness. He learned later that by the time he arrived at the hospital the affect of the bite was dire... he was near death. Several hours later he awakened in Intensive Care (ICU) unaware of the emergency procedures that he had undergone.
After administering 14 ampoules (the hospital’s total supply) of Wyeth Polyvalent Antivenin via IV, and spending 4 days in ICU, he was released and returned home. A week later he noticed he was having trouble focusing one eye. Two blood vessels in the cornea had burst from increased blood pressure. The Doctor prescribed medicine to lower his blood pressure and it seems to be improving.
Some personal input
Although I’ve captured, handled, or kept a wide variety of more than a thousand venomous snakes over the past 40 plus years, I’ve been extremely fortunate to never be bitten. This has special significance because nearly everyone I know (who shares my extended interest) has undergone the experience at least once. And, all of them admit that it was a uniquely unpleasant and unforgettable ordeal, with innumerable repercussions.
Some consider me to be lucky. I see it as an ongoing incentive for being cautious and aware. Sure, I’ve had a few close encounters, mostly while posing and photographing rattlesnakes. Being engrossed in getting "just the right shot" easily led to over-stepping my self-imposed bounds. The snakes saw it as an opportunity to do what it innately does, to demonstrate that I was invading its turf.
The positive spin is that they were learning experiences, fortifying my need to be more wary—to be more prepared. Because of my longtime association with venomous animals you may think it a bit odd, but I truly believe keeping venomous snakes is an accident waiting to happen!
Make no mistake-- rattlesnakes are incredibly beautiful, unique snakes, and my passion goes far beyond the norm. I actively seek out new and different forms to photograph, and keep up on the literature in an attempt to learn as much as I can about them. Photographing all the living species and subspecies is becoming an obsession. Hopefully this will lead to a more inclusive, updated, expanded, second edition of my book. At the very least, it’s a goal!
[Please accept my apologies for the somewhat self-serving pep talk, but I feel that any aside that reinforces the need for caution is well worth highlighting.]
Although it may seem trivial, the two most important considerations about keeping venomous animals are—knowing exactly what to do when you are bitten, and fully understanding the potential danger and liabilities. I will not make this article a treatise on the hazards, gruesome details, and permanent consequences of undergoing envenomation. That must be a "gimme" for anyone even thinking about keeping venomous animals; unless, of course, he/she is too impetuous—or just plain stupid!
I spoke with a few longtime professional snake keepers, and uncovered some frightening, common threads. All of the keepers related that they were aware that envenomation was not only a possible eventuality of their daily interactions with snakes, but they consistently jeopardize themselves by "take chances".
Like any job requiring repetitious and rather mundane activities-- in this case cleaning cages and changing water dishes-- it is extremely easy for the mind to become preoccupied with more complex, demanding matters. After all, cleaning snake feces is a menial task. It is too simple to assume a snake lying quietly in its favorite spot is asleep, as it is every day, unaware or unconcerned about your presence. Why disturb and move it into the shift cage, or take it from the enclosure? After all, it never has become aroused or aggressive before!
Many procedures (e.g., transferring a snake from one cage to another, or feeding) are done without help or having someone near enough to respond if needed. Clearly, there is considerable danger of being bitten. And, in time it will happen! Just ask any keeper that has been bitten.
It’s more than the physical implications of the bite
My emphasis (actually more of an obligation) is on the liability factor—the sizable legal and financial implications. If you have any interest in keeping venomous animals, I suggest you read this part carefully. It may bring objectivity and rationality to your thinking, and awaken you to the extensive monetary risks that you are undertaking. It may save you from a financial catastrophe of epic proportions.
Treatment for envenomation is expensive, very expensive. My friend’s bill was at the low end, it was in excess of $40,000. Another friend’s Eastern Diamondback (Crotalus adamanteus) bite was more than $89,000, and I know of yet another person bitten by an Eastern Diamondback a few years ago that topped $162,000. Fortunately, they were all working as professional herpetologists, insured, and covered by Workman’s Compensation, so someone else paid the majority of the bill. Imagine the strain of not being covered, of having to pay even part of it!
As with any medical procedures that encompass emergency, life-saving measures, tests, I.C.U, and extended hospital care, the costs are high, and build up quickly. The number of antivenin ampoules varies, but rarely is less than 20, with an Eastern Diamondback bite as many as 30. The per-unit cost is high, but because it must be administered in a hospital, by I.V. it will be billed at $550- $950 per ampoule. And, of course an adequate supply of in date antivenin must be available.
If you have health insurance, does it cover snakebite? There may be a very important distinction in the terminology of "accidental" snake envenomation. How, where, and why you were bitten are important variables that will be considered. Because of the amount of money that must be paid, an insurance company will likely do its best to assure the legitimacy of the claim.
Another thing that must be considered is the legality of keeping the snake. Many states and local municipalities have made it illegal to possess "dangerous" animals. The vagueness of their wording opens a door for clarification, but likely entails hiring a lawyer. Who pays for this? Because emergency personnel and hospitals are required to report accidents, police will be informed. State Game and Fish, conservation, and possibly health authorities may enter fray. This would entail more lawyers and legal advice.
Local media will be made aware, and if it is a "slow news day" you may become a "star". Then there is the possibility of having endangered others (e.g., neighbors, friends, visitors). I’ll bet there is a least one neighbor who would gladly be interviewed, and jump all over the threat you had placed on his/her family by possessing a dangerous animal.
And it could be worse
Let’s assume that you have done nothing wrong, that you are keeping your animal as safely as possible, but it escapes and bites someone. There is no doubt that, by possessing the animal, you are responsible for its actions. To carry it still further, if a person breaks into your house and somehow is envenomated—it’s your fault.
Here’s yet another scenario. You are showing a snake to a friend, or he/she is helping you clean cages and is bitten. Who pays? You do! Will your homeowner’s insurance cover it? Do you have homeowner’s insurance?
We live in an extremely litigious society, suing is a matter of course. Make no mistake-- the one found to be at fault loses—big time! Venomous snakebites are costly, but the repercussions and peripheral expenditures can easily place an insurmountable financial burden on the hapless keeper.
I am not merely preaching, I gave considerable thought, weighed the possibilities, and no longer keep venomous animals.
Once again I ask—Are you really prepared?
Manny Rubio is the author of the acclaimed book Rattlesnake: Portrait of a Predator.
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by Bud on April 5, 2001
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Well done!
All these things apply.
I don't want to change the subject but a alternative
method I have found to survive mojave bites or
other snakes is inocculation.
The human body can if given enough time produce its own antibodys to counteract the deadly effects.
Reducing the effects overall.
IF you keep a deadly reptile and are envenomated.
Are you prepared have you done every thing to
survive .
Nothing is more serious than this.
Giving the body a way to fight the venom ahead of
time means less damage.
and less trips to the hospital.
Yes its true
bud
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by Mojo on April 6, 2001
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I believe he is refering to controlled self envenomation to allow your body to produce antibodies against the particular venom you use. It is commonly assossiated with bill hast. I have also seen a natural geographic special on a clan in thialand that uses a simular technique.
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by MAMBAMAMA on September 19, 2001
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I enjoyed reading your comments on keeping venomous
snakes. I have always held certain fasination with snakes, venmous snakes esp. Keeping one personnally has never been an oppsition since I have children and now grandchildren. Certainly all of the pitfalls have been the other reasons I have never entered into that realm, but if I ever had considered it your article certainly would have "talked me out of it" I recently ordered and received ( after about 4 months) a book written about snake envenomation , all of the pictures in this book would no doubt scare the shit out of most people even thinking about keeping these snakes.
Just wanted to tell you I enjoyed reading what you offered, Thanks carol
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by thesnakeman1 on October 16, 2001
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I found the article very informative and interesting. I am 17 years old and have been working with(collecting, photographing, observing) herps for the better part of my life now. For the last eight years I have occasionally kept venomous snakes along with other non-venomous herps. For the last 1 1/2 year I have continously kept a dusky pigmy rattler. He has thrived the entire time. After reading the article and thought a while on some of its ideas, I have finally decided to move him out of the house. I will continue keeping him, but he will be moved to the nature park where I am employeed on the weekends. There we keep a wide variety of native herps(including venomous). Over the period of time that I have kept the snake I have build up a type of relationship with the individual so I will see to it that he continous to thrive. Once again, this article has changed my views on housing venomous herps at home. Thank you. Robert
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by crotalushorridus on October 21, 2001
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What a wonderfully informative article. I have been working with hot herps for only ten years, no candle to the experience some of you guys have...you have touched up on every aspect of housing venomous reptiles. The caution that must be excercised cannot be stressed enough. I only keep one Crotalus atrox now, and he's enough for the time being. If I were still living close to a largely populated city...I would not really consider it. James
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by shortoak on November 18, 2001
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This has long been a process done for horses. But you are correct about Bill Hast, he is the founder of the Miami Surpentariam. Mike
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by jeckelbrothers69 on December 19, 2001
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I am currently trying to start a rattlesnake ranch.I am prepared...really. Any info on how to milk for and store venom, who to send it to, and licenses or permits to own venomous reptiles would be greatly appreciated...
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by princenez on April 4, 2002
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Unless a homeowners policy specifically excludes liabilty for animal attacks then it would cover your animal envenomating someone else...as long as...your insurance company is aware that you keep venemous animals on your property. All policies contain a provision that anything that increases the companies probable risk exposure could result in a denial of the claim. But if you tell them, and they don't right an exclusion into your policy, they can't deny coverage. Every states insurance laws are different, but most are very similar. I can only speak with certainty for FL, because that is where I am an adjuster.
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by theptsman on June 11, 2002
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Just for anyone curious about homeowners, I own a
7 foot Boa and everything was great until my insurance
found out, I was dropped on the spot. So if you are
really thinking of owning EVEN a non-venomous snake
getting insured is a headache. I can't even picture
them considering a venomous snake insurable. I am
talking about Renters or Homeowners, Sadly snakes are
all considered dangerious to insurance companies, they
even freaked out when I told them I had a 2.5 foot
Alpa... King snake. It blows my mind, what the hell
can a king snake do, maybe eradicate some rodents but
that is about it..
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by theptsman on June 11, 2002
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Just for anyone curious about homeowners, I own a
7 foot Boa and everything was great until my insurance
found out, I was dropped on the spot. So if you are
really thinking of owning EVEN a non-venomous snake
getting insured is a headache. I can't even picture
them considering a venomous snake insurable. I am
talking about Renters or Homeowners, Sadly snakes are
all considered dangerious to insurance companies, they
even freaked out when I told them I had a 2.5 foot
Alpa... King snake. It blows my mind, what the hell
can a king snake do, maybe eradicate some rodents but
that is about it..
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by liveprey on August 8, 2002
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Im only 17 so there is no way that I would be able to accept the financial risks of such a hobby.I have been field herping sense I was 6 and always been looking for the "perfect" rattler to come home with me, probably a winder, however after reading this artile I have decided that the "perfect" one is perfect right where he is.
Thanks for the insight
~justin
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by desertrat427 on August 15, 2002
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Wow all this kind of makes me nervous especially because in my living room in a cage rests a Mohave Rattler about 4 1/2 feet and a Western Diamonback,i noticed the Mohave is quite aggresive,i took these in a week ago,they were free,a local reptile cather has over 100 diamondbacks and mojaves,and some non venemous friendlier burmese,retic,ball pythons.He offered to give me all of iy,including the cages.I was considering it,but maybe ill take them,but release them all back out into the desert.I myself go collect hunting in the desert,i previously avoided rattlers,i bought a pair of tongs and thought id give it a try.maybe for the thrill?and i love to observe snakes up close,i also have a pet store type collection now besides the rattlers,i have a python,desert caught tarantulas,and misc gheckos,lizard,even had a ghila monster(until i knew it was so protected,i know where theres always quite a few.he was a fight!!!!!mean son of a gun.Anyone have any advice for catching rattlesnakes with tongs,ive hand caught numerous non venemous and have been bit,through my welding gloves,but i want to start going on the venemous adventures,but this article is making me think twice.I feel i am a responsible owner all my cages have safe lids,secured by hasps,and rattlers have 3 master locks,but its getting time to clean cage,and need to do water.that mohave rattles when i open the front door,diamondback waits until i walk by.neat but scarey sound,i still look in there everytime i go by,just to make sure!!!i dont believe in killing snakes,but if one was gone id be quick to grab the 12 gauge,probably the .45 to!!
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by KingCobra on January 2, 2003
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Where can I get a detailed information about Mr. Bill Hast, the story of the man, and the Serpentarium he founded in Miami?
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by Craig23 on April 10, 2003
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I just want to ask a few questions about these posts. I hear so many storys about professional and experienced American venomous reptile keepers being bitten by there snake, and on the way to hospital passing in and out of consciousness etc. I hear a bit mentions about "venom extractors", I really dont know much abou these but i can imagine the idea. What I want to know is, have you people ever heard of a compression bandage?
The application of a compression bandage and imobilisation of the affected limb, can delay the onset of symtoms for many hours after envenomation. I hear so many storys of people getting bitten by rattelsnakes (on this site) and loosing consciousness in the car on the way to hospital etc... this just shouldnt happen!!!!!!! The post i am replying to "Are you really prepared?" this guy is a professional.. was bitten, felt symtoms within a minute and was unconscious in the helicopter. I dont understand??? I know poeple that have been bitten by large eastern browns, with possible the second or 3rd most toxic venom of any land snake, applying a compression bandage and barley feeling a symptom for 2 hours on the way to hospital until the bandages are slowely released during antivenom treatment. Not once in the many detailed storys i have read on american snake bite victims have i heard mention of a compression bandage. I know in tatoal 4 people that have been bitten by some of the worlds most dangerous snakes here in OZ, and none of them had serious complications following this procedure. It was a routine bite, bandage, car, hospital, treatment. Im talking about eastern tiger snakes, Brown snakes and mulga snakes.. all in the top 10 of the most dangerous snakes. Almost dieing on the way to hospital just simply should not happen to a proffesional keeper. Maybe a bushwalker that got bitten and didnt know what to do.... In australia we are taught in First Aid Courses that there really is nothing to be alarmed about with a snake bit if the proper first aid is applied and the victim is quickly transported to hospital... Quickly is within a hour or two in most cases in rural australia. It seams that many american professionals would be dead in this time.
Please I would love to know why this is???
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by LarryDFishel on April 18, 2003
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What you are missing is that all of the Australian snakes are elapids. Thier venoms mostly effect the nervous system and do little tissue damage. Very few people die from rattlesnake bites if treated within a few hours, but the venom destroys tissue. Applying a pressure bandage right after being bitten on the hand for instance would keep that destuctve venom confined to the hand and might well cause enough damage to require amputation. It's generally considered better to allow the venom to spread (diluting it) and take the small chance (about 0.1%) of systemic failure. If you got tagged by a very large Eastern Diamondback and you were way out in the woods without transpertation, you might think about acrificing the hand to save yourself, but in most cases it would do more harm than good.
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by Craig23 on April 21, 2003
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Thanks for the reply larryDfishel. I understand what you mean about the tissue destruction caused by the venom of alot of american snakes like rattle snakes. Some Australian Elapids have simmilar properties, like the Pseudechis family, red bellied blacks in particular. It was just that some stories i have read like "being bit by the big one" and "are you really prepared", it seemed to me that these guys were in a life threatening situation (or at least the stories made it appear that way) and i would prefer to risk massive tissue and muscle damage or even loss of limb to the chance of loosing my life any day. However i do see what you mean and i guess its all about common scence once again.
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Anonymous post on August 13, 2003
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In ref: to the getting home owners or renters insurance while owneing a snake. I've had snakes for years and every one in my small town has known it for years. So when I purchased a knew home recently I pretty much had to tell one in order to get home owners insurane. One of the questions they asked was do you own or keep any type of exotic animales. If the answer would have been yes I'm am pretty confident that I wouldn't have any covereage today.
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by poole on June 3, 2005
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I certainly am in full agreement with everything the author states in regard to housing hot snakes. I did this for many years and kept quite a wide variety of dangerous stuff. During that time I had a couple very close calls. The only time I was actually bitten was by a northern Copperhead while out collecting back in the 60's. However I had another couple of
close escapes while hunting Timber Ratllers and was almost nailed while capturing a GIGANTIC Cottonmouth in So. Carolina. If I attempted to describe this MONSTER, I would no doubt be called a liar. If he had gotten his fangs in me I might not have made it out of the back country; I was a long way from the nearest road. The most dangerous snake I ever kept was a Mexican Cantil, that was the most purely aggressive animal I have ever encountered. I think that this particular snake was the one that finally convinced me to cease fooling with venemous snakes. Think and think again before you decide to keep 'em in your home. It's just a matter of time before you make a mistake! I could go on and on about this, but I think I have made my point. poole
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by longtooth on November 9, 2005
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I thought this artical was really well done.I AM coy on here known as longtooth, i have kept venomous snakes for twenty years i work now as a volunteer at an animal park here in n.c. three years ago while inspecting one of my young canes i got lax and i was bitten she only got me with one fang but it was good enough the man is telling you straight 3 days in icu and a bill that topped 90,000 luckily i had insurance but i'll bet many of you donot.I still have my own snakes but you best believe iam always ready now.i love these animals and have for years fought for their rights but ya gotta remember they don't share the love, so if you are thinking about it and you have no true experiance best think again.Well thanx again for the artical man great job you got it to a t stay safe and good luck coy
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by Darthsandy on November 23, 2005
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I do not keep venomous snakes. I never will. My wife doesn't like snakes. Period. I am facinated by them, and love to read about them and see them. (zoos, in the field, nature parks, and herp shows) This article only touches upon some of the very important topics. Snakes are great escape artists, and the chances of one getting out are just too great to entertain. At least for me in my home.
More importantly, for me at least, I don't want to even think about how I would feel if I did have a hot herp, and it escaped only to be found by a toddler who wants to play with the "funny stick" as mine once tried to do on a camping trip.
To those of you who do keep them, responseable and properly, my hat's off to you. You're doing something I couldn't do. I have all the respect in the world for you for being able to do that.
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by Waspnest on January 7, 2006
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Great topic, with much valued information for the faint hearted. Getting my first WD in home inside the most safest, and fool proof cage I've ever seen. A BoaPlastics cage # 422T. The 422T comes with a full divider, and will modify this making each side workable, shutting off the side she's in. (see cage reviews). I've always been intriged with the rattlers looks, giving her the upmost respect, I cannot see how anything can happen, having upswinging, keyed lockable doors, I would'nt have a hot snake with any other type of cage, especially inside my home, except the 422T. Knowing I'll be able to sleep good at night, but most of my visitors will not.
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by FangTwo on April 15, 2007
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Excellent book and photography. Know what you have, Know what your doing. Animals do not rationalize. They will protect themselves and in the Pit Vpers case with deadly consequences. BE CAREFUL.
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by throwd on August 17, 2007
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Say, that was truly informative considering I'm a ven-holder, I've recently collected a W.Massasauga, and have had a S.copperhead for quite some time. I am very interested in Texas laws concerning my rights to hold venemous reptiles. I live in Dallas Tx so if you would hit me back.
Thanks,
Douglas D.
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by Crikeysnake on December 2, 2007
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If someone breaks into my house, they ain't coming out. My snakes, crocs and alligators are gonna get them!!! Yeah!
No wonder I am going to move to Australia. There are just too many wacky laws that protect scumbags and criminals in the US. I think they (police and attorneys) really want to protect themselves of a lawsuit and not the criminal!
CRIKEY!
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by condor on February 23, 2008
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Well, I am a beginner in the world of reptiles and have a western. Let any slight mistake be a long lived and learned lesson. Owning a poisonous snake does not mean you have to go and try and pick it up to milk it. A good cage and a good long handling stick seems to be the trick to living safe with a venemous snake.
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by IowaDon on November 7, 2009
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About the time this article was written, my sister was an ER nurse in Ft. Meyers, Fla. A tourist was brought in who said he had been bitten by a pretty litte red. yellow, and black snake on his left index finger. He had been playing with it and it suddenly bit him. Fortunately, his buddy remembered that red bands were touching yelllow bands. He soon showed all the clasic signs of Coral Snake poisoning, and only by way of what can be described as a miracle he survived. Some days later he was on the road to recovery, with a bill that had gone over $300,000 and was still climbing!!
We had a young guy here in Des Moines, Iowa several years ago who had caught a Mojave Rattler on his way here from California. He was keeping it in a bucket with the lid on. Somehow, while he was "handling" it, he was bitten. Iowa has prarie, timber , Massaugua rattlers, and a very small localized population of Copperheads.When I last checked the Posion Control Center here in Des Moines 2 years ago, they said they didn't keep any anti-venom for any poisonous snakes.
His condition deteriorated so fast a National Guard jet was sent to Omaha, Ne. to get anti-venom for him. Based on other reports I have read, I would expect his treatment went well over $100,000.
My point is if that had been something really exotic he had somehow gotten his hands on, like a taipan or black mamba, the nearest place I know of that might have antisera for those specimens would be Atlanta.
"Are you Really Prepared?" is a fundamental issue. Like body parts, disfiguration, loss of use of extermeities, and death. Check the prices per vial of a polyvalent Crotalous antisera. Can you afford to keep the maximum expected amount on hand and replace it on schedule?
I think the famous Mr. Haast is the perfect proof of the saying "Not if but when".He has milked tens of thousands of times - 600 to 800 per DAY at his most productive!! - and is missing parts of digits and nearly died several times. Those who are offended by reference to him in this way and feel it is insulting could not be more wrong. That he has survived so long with no more damage than he has is testament to his expertise. The question is: Are you truly willing to make the same sacrifices, and is it worth it to you in the long run?
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I just read this article for the first time today. I would consider this a "must read" for anyone who plans on getting into reptiles in general. In addition to bites and medical bills there are numerous legal matters to deal with whether anyone is bitten or not.
States are making it harder for all of us to keep venomous reptiles. Doing so where you are not supposed to can make a "criminal" out of you real fast. You can lose your snakes, your freedom and tons of money trying to beat the system. I've seen it happen.
My personal opinion is that dogs, horses and cattle are far more dangerous than snakes to a trained keeper. But, try telling your local government that and you won't be able to. Even if you don't fear being bitten, fear being caught if you are keeping anything you are not supposed to. Be as legal as possible and most of all keep your critters out of public view. You might be amazed at how many people would love to turn you in and sit back an laugh while you go down. I've seen that happen too.
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