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by SCatheris on December 11, 2007
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well wouldn't the canebrake=timber thing kind of only apply to CBB snakes? Canebrakes are the coastal variation of timbers I thought? and Indiana isn't on the coast sooooo??
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by tj on December 11, 2007
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horridus=horridus
With the exception of Virginia, which may have changed, states don't recognize subs of horridus. A canebrake is still a timber, CB or not.
Not to mention, most wildlife officials are not trained enough to be able to tell the diff between subs.
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by AquaHerp on December 11, 2007
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The DNR officers in Indiana do not "approve", nor "disapprove" Class III permits. It's handled through a completely different department other than law enforcement. Getting a permit is not impossible, you just need to follow the written law and use the procedures in place.
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by AquaHerp on December 11, 2007
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Crotalus horridus is protected in Indiana, as well as being considered a Class III animal. Shipping venomous snakes via mail is a violation...period. Does not matter what species. In as much as "canebrakes" vs. timbers, there is no scientific split for variations, clades, races et al currently on this species. Henceforth, timbers are considered a "protected" animal in Indiana regardless of thier origin.
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by SouthernWolf on December 11, 2007
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It has been proven thru DNA testing that the Timber and Canebrake are the same animal.... What we call a Canebrake is more of a color morph....not a subspecies.
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by Buzztail1 on December 13, 2007
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Posession of an illegal cobra (cobra without a permit) in August.
Attempting to sell an undercover officer an Eastern Diamondback in November.
"The DNR said Draper is a known buyer and broker of venomous snakes."
The article doesn't say that he was arrested when he got off the bus. It says that they were waiting when he got off the bus. Given his prior arrests, it makes sense that they staked out his house, watched him get off the bus, and walked in and arrested him in his residence.
It doesn't say that they charged him with illegal shipping through the US Mail. That charge he might be able to beat. It says he is charged with transporting without a permit (which he did on a bus) and possession of an endangered species (which he did possess). It also says that he has never applied for a permit. You have got to keep copies of every scrap of paper that you use in dealings with the government. Bureaucracy tends to lose things like permit applications at incredibly inconvenient times.
Given previous run-ins with the law and the obvious knowlege that having these snakes was illegal, I just don't see "set-up" here. I have posted here many many times about doing business with people that you don't know. I have also posted about being involved in illegal activity. It doesn't matter if you agree with the laws. Break them and you suffer the consequences.
For future reference, if the post office calls you and tells you that a package, which you didn't order, containing something illegal, is waiting for you at the post office - tell them that you didn't order it and that they should send it back. Or better yet, report the person that sent it to you right then and there to the post office!
I agree with Chris - he will need a good lawyer.
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by Chance on December 13, 2007
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This is kind of funny, and kind of sad. This guy was in contact with me quite a bit late this summer trying to obtain some elapids I was selling. He assured me they were legal where he lived. Fortunately for me, he was never able to put together the money and get my snakes. He did, however, get into contact with an acquaintance of mine and bought a cobra from him. This was the snake with which he was caught in August. The story was all messed up and I won't try to relate hearsay here, but he ended up being arrested and the snake was probably put down. Unfortunately for my acquaintance, the snake had been shipped through a ground carrier, so that brought up other issues.
The point is, his pleas for help are pitiful. He knowingly and in possession of his full faculties (?) bought and had shipped to him some protected venomous snakes AFTER the fact that he'd already been arrested once. Of course the DNR is going to keep an eye on you after that! Not a very smart move.
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