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by Wolfchan on September 17, 2002
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Overall I must say that I agree with what TT has to say. People are too immature and too set in their ideas of 'good VS evil' and 'fluffy VS scaly' to handle something like that. Unfortunately, most of these people will never change.
The teacher should have chosen to do something like that after hours when there were no students present, becuase simple logic says that of course people are going to throw tantrums about it! Also, as TT said, herbivores are much better food. Sticking with bunnies would be a better idea.
Keep in mind though that a pet rabbit will come when called, seek your attention, and do many things that your average pet dog will. They can also be litterbox trained like a cat. Nobody seems to have any objections to the feeding of rabbits though......
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Teacher Wants to feed Puppies to Snake
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by reticulator on October 10, 2002
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I personally love Pythons especially P.reticulatus. I hate cats and would love to feed cats to my retics, or burmiese. BUT, the social thing and the fact that for some wierd reason the killing and feeding of these worthless shit machines to wonderful beautiful examples of herpetological perfection is somehow frowned apon, is at a loss to me. To think, a good use for a cat.(prekilled of coarse,teeth and claws you know) Alass, My wife will not let me and I think its illegal in my area. One day we will remove these social constraints and quit edifying this worthless feline. Untill then I will continue to purchace frozen rabbits and rats.
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by Henri on October 15, 2002
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Hi, I'm French, and here the rule is that we eat anything that has meat exept dogs, cats and horses (uh, well, we don't tell it when we kill the neighboors dogs, but cats are really not good).
But we eat really everything in the animals we kill (exept frogs that are too smalls), even the marrow in the bones, the head, feets etc.
I mean traditionnaly, still in the country, but many animals we used to eat are now protected.
Some may be shocking, as exemples :
- squirel (said to be very good cooked in "daube"), now protected
- hedgehog protected but many farmers that use the same road every morning still take the ones killed by the cars to eat them
- snail and anything that has a shell (like oisters and mussel). We are not alone to eat snails (greks do it too but don't cook it the same)
- everyone nows that, frogs and that's really very good.
From the begening of the century, we also eat horse thanks to an associassion protectings animals, they prefered horses to be killed than to die working.
And well, I wouldn't mind eating a dog or a cat, my concern would be "wat about antibiotics in the meat".
So I think MSTT is quite right it's better to give a puppy to a snake (that's not barbaric) than to waste it, but the teacher still is completely stupid, he only has childs in front of him !
But when you see what some dogs look like, that's really barbaric, isn't it better to eat them than to keep them alive ?
For the same probem, in French classrooms, we can kill and dissect only the animals we are used to eat (yeah, that's quite wide !)
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Anonymous post on November 4, 2002
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I totally agree with MSTT. But if the teacher wanted to feed the puppies to the snake he was wrong to do it in front of the class. But if he wanted to feed the snake to the puppies, I wonder how many students would have objected!
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by DagNasty on January 24, 2003
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Hey, snakes gotta eat too. But I do think it was pretty wack that the teacher probably didn't consider how students and parents were going to react. Maybe he could have used the puppies when he was feeding the snake by himself. We still can't discount the fact that the snake has to eat to live. All animals do. And if he was able to acquire animals that were going to be put to death for no reason, then why let the life go to waste? I'd rather feed out an animal than just kill it and toss it out. We can't be such deluded egomaniacs and place one species of non-human animal above another because society dictates that it's "cuter" or whatever.
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by Bothrops_pictus on March 12, 2003
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Personally I'd never feed a snake a cat or a dog, I like them too but if a dog or cat was dead and there's no other food source for my snake I'd feed it. What Vishnu and others say about the vision of some people is right, for example, the pig is by far more intelligent than a dog and we don't have problems eating it but if I had them as pets I surely wouldn't eat them. All those who say that there are some absolute ethical values are ethnocentric in my opinion, if like someone said a government would want to kill people for food it would be bad, but bad for our species, nobody seems to care about species like the cows, pigs, lambs, etc. or species like the snakes that get killed everyday just because some jerk off told that they are the incarnation of satan. I feed my animals living quails and mice and guinea pigs (I've seen americans to get scared that we eat guinea pigs but before they knew them my ancestors domesticated them for food, here's another example of how relative this can be) I feed them living prey because they are wild caught and refuse dead prey, besides if I killed them they'd suffer equally or more than with my snakes and they certainly suffer less than with a cat, I have cats and I know how sadistic they can be with mice. About the teacher, he should have thought that what he was trting to feed the snakes is considered a pet and that he was not dealing with adults but children, obviously he's not very smart.
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by EMatt on July 10, 2003
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Pay attention, people. MSTT got it right, obviously cares more about animals than the people who whined about his statements, and his only logical shortfall was wasting so much time responding to people who apparently didn't bother to pay attention to everything MSTT was saying nor bothered to pay attention to their own heartless habits. And that logical shortfall was probably due to the fact that he really cares about animals and people.
The way we disconnect ourselves from the physical and moral consequences of our own behavior is a source of the greatest atrocities this world has ever known.
Yes, appearances are important (though often silly), and feeding condemned puppies to a snake in front of children of unknown persuasions was foolish. But what kind of people have the audacity to condemn making normal use of animals already condemned to die? They feed themselves and their ridiculously huge populations of cats and dogs on the flesh of countless animals bred and raised purposly to live depressed, deformed, miserable lives ankle deep in their own filth while laying waste our local environments, water supplies, and even antibiotics developed to save human lives. They build huge, largely uncontrolled self-serving industries and hire other people to take of all these unpleasantries for them. And then they cut their pets loose to fornicate unfettered in the streets, breeding more non-native, warm blooded, carnivous and blood-thirsty gluttonous mammals than this entire world was ever meant to sustain, and push the surplus onto people who have more cats and dogs than deemed healthy, and pay to have the rest slaughtered silently wholesale.
And while all this is going on unchallenged, someone wants to waste time condemning a person who would consider feeding a cat or dog (which are really so common and uncared for that they are literally cheaper than dirt) to a snake (which is so relatively rare and highly valued that you would be hard pressed to find one unwanted and sentenced to the pound)?
What are they? Stupid?
Do we need a chart or graph or something here?
Think about it: a cat or a dog
which in a month will need to consume and defecate much more than it's weight in animal flesh (which likely suffered miserably while maturing);
which in its lifetime is likely to harass and kill several native animal species struggling to survive;
which may even maim, kill, or infect a human child or adult;
and which is statistically probably going to be abandoned, condemned to die of starvation, hit by a car, rot on the side of the road, or trashed at the pound;
but not before it has the chance to breed several more to like itself capable of all the above.
Or a snake
which in a month will consume and defecate much less than its weight in animal flesh (which in my snake's case are mice breeding happier and healthier than any I've seen captive or free);
which, unless native to its climactic region, cannot harass and kill native animal species (and wouldn't normally be allowed by their owners to roam the streets and fields anyway);
which is highly unlikely and rarely has the opportunity to maim, kill, or infect a human child or adult (although I almost forgot that I'm writing to VenomousReptiles.org!);
and which is unlikely to be abandoned, condemned to die of starvation, hit by a car, rot on the side of the road, or trashed at the pound;
and isn't going to breed uncontrollably anywhere (except perhaps in Guam or Hawaii).
Open your eyes! Free or captive, most animals live difficult, miserable, fearful lives at the hands of people, predators, and parasites. Most animals do not live to maturity, and that's usually because some other animal (including their own species) will kill them and eat them. Canines and felines are by no means special in this regard. So what's the point in whining about it? By some of their logic we might as well do the whole world a big favor and exterminate every carnivorous beast on the planet including cats, dogs, and most people, so that no other animal will ever have to die to feed another. Is that going to work out for you?
So, some people keep cats and dogs with big warm-blooded appetites, and routinely pay others to supply them with cheap sources of meat, which means animals that typically are raised and mistreated in miserable conditions or are being overharvested from their environment. And some people keep snakes with relatively tiny cold-blooded appetites, and may just find it reasonable to feed them a few of those overbred, unwanted specimens overflowing the animal shelters. Is there really any room for a cat or dog owner to criticize such a snake owner?
The best you can do is at least make sure that the animals for which you are personally responsible (pets and prey) suffer less than they would normally. And it seems to me that snake owners have much more control over this than any cat or dog owner.
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by noga100 on July 17, 2003
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one should be very carefull when catogarising animalls into different classes due to their supposed intelegence or cognisance the are all human trates that we are truing to pass on to animals just because an animal can learn to throw a ball or do some trick does not make it more intelligent than another. predators are then also intelligent due to the fact that they can change their hunting techniques to suite different environs or animals that are being hunted. i guess it doesnot matter that the food these wonderfull puppies will eat when they grow up will most probarbly be made fom horse meat which i suppose u see as also being able to show "love" and "affection" to its owner and was at some stage some ones pet. i do agree that the reaction of people around should have been taken into consideration and maby discretion should have been exercised.
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by DravenXavier on July 21, 2003
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I didn't have time to read through all of the comments, but here's my take on the whole thing. I do not see anything wrong with feeding a puppy to a snake, at least when it is a puppy that is to be euthanized. I don't really think anything the teacher did was wrong, except be insensitive toward the feelings of his students. He should have had the dogs euthanized first (the equivelant of prekilling a rodent) and fed the snake after-hours.
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Anonymous post on September 26, 2003
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You guys suck-at least the idiots that think it's okay to feed puppies to snakes. I think the better idea is not to keep them at all-that way there will be less need of antivenom because some idiot thought it was cool to keep snakes that have dangerous venom. Makes more sense to me than feeding pups to stupid snakes. You people need to find other hobbies.
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