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by KingCobraFan on March 29, 2001
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First of all, I'll preface this comment by saying
that I've never handled a venomous snake, but have
been fascinated by them since childhood. I felt Jeff
Miller's article on venomoids was excellent in that it
explored both sides of the issue. My opinion is this:
I can see no reason whatsoever to own a venomoid. For
education, there's literature and video. As far as I'm
concerned, if you're going to alter a snake in this
manner, it should just as soon be left in the wild. To
me, a venomoid is akin to having a Ferrari with no
engine in it.
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by Squamatau on March 30, 2001
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Great article Jeff!! I personally am of the opinion that keeping a venomoid snake is like keeping a gun that can't fire bullets. I'm still NOT gonna play russian roulette with that gun. But a well presented interesting article for sure!!! Great work!
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by Gnochman on April 21, 2001
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In essence this is purely a moral/ethical issue here. It boils down to humans trying to dominate, encapsulate, and "domesticate" nature. Its just how far will you go? However, we also see tinges of "machismo" here particularly as evidenced by the line "keeping a venomoid snake is like having a Ferrari with no engine." Can't be cool if there is someone else out there that may think you got a venomoid snake, or just the frame of a ferrari. Me, I'm gonna hold on to my Pontiac Fiero (Rosy Boa), and I'll wait and see if during my mid-life crisis I have the urge to purchase the body of a lotus (venomoid crot.) or a Lambourghini Diablo (full venom D. A. Polylepis).
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by vettesherps on July 2, 2001
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Just for the record, I am not against venomoids, but what I am looking at appears to be a total mutilation. I also am convinced that at in at least one instance shown in this article there is an almost absolute case of the animal still being venomous. I have witnessed this surgery done by an expert and it was performed under sanitary conditions and with the proper tools and anestia. The surgery was performed by making a very small incision and both the primary and secondary glands removed. When done properly there is no need to remove skin to eliminate the hollow look. I am appalled the pictures presented in this article and can only think it will not help the cause of those individuals who are in favor of venomoids. I agree in principal with what you ar edoing Jeff but do not like what I am seeing in this article. Sorry, but that is my opinion.
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by vettesherps on July 8, 2001
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Sorry I need to correct a statement in my earlier post. The primary glands were not removed. They were simply made non-effective by ductal ligation. Sorry don't want to misinform anyone.
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by vettesherps on July 8, 2001
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Sorry but the previous post contained an error. The primany glands are not removed simply ligated. Don't want to misinform anyone.
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by TMB on October 10, 2001
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I would like to thank you for presenting a fairly through account of what venomoids are, but wish to add somethings, first of all there are two ways of rendering a venomous snake a venomoid, first is by ligating the venom ducts, second is by doing a complete adenectomy[total removing the gland], the latter was pioneered over twenty five years ago by a DVM, and is documented in several Veterinarian Medicine Magazines and book of that time. This surgery renders the animal venomless, where as Ligating the ducts does leave room for reversal, plus over the years we have learned that some venomous snakes actually have some degree of toxicity in their saliva, one of these is the Sri Lankian Naja naja. We have found that this one type of Naja naja's saliva will over a period of 1 hour kill a mouse but does do so with a rat, should a human recieve a bite of this type there will be different symptoms such as nausea, headahce, flush warm feeling thru out the body and in some cases mild euphoria, with these syptoms lasting from 20 minutes up to 4 hours in cases we have noted . Bit after doing these surgeries for over 25 years we have yet to have a reveral in any animal recivieing a adenectomy, and some our animals are 20 plus years post surgery so would seem to work. But of course it just is not everybodies cup pf tea.
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by Dave_the_herp_handler on January 5, 2002
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I don't think that cutting open a snake just so that someone can keep it in his\her room is a very humane thing to do. I mean come on, if you want to keep a snake then you should be able to pay the price. It didnt want to live with you, you made it. You picked the snake, so you should have to live with it being venomous. If you dont want a snake that can bite you and send you to the ER, then go to your back yard, maybe you can find a nice Garter Snake.
"If you can't stand the Venom, then don't pick up the snake."
- David Yardley (Inspired by Harry S. Truman)
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by Timber_Rattlesnake on February 17, 2002
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Earlier I voted yes for the venomoids without thinking, and I wish I didn't now that I read more about it.
Why have a venomous snake if its not goin to be venomous only to impress your freinds or whatever to get a response as...SO COOL! How dum!
If you get a venenmous snake I suspect you to pay the price.
If you only want a venomoid then dont get a "venomous snake" admire them where they really belong...out in the wild.
Because the venom is what makes a venomous snake a venomous snake.
It also serves as help in digesting their prey.
I only believe in venomoids for teaching the audince where a close area is a must.
So why get a venomous snake if your not gonna pay the price.
For people who have them I have no respect for them as a true herpetologist, except as for the above cause.
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