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RE: Welcome to the Crotalidae forum!
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Anonymous post on August 17, 2000
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Hey Chris,
This site is lookin great. Crotalids, hmmmmm, let me think of a good thread..... let's see, I got it...
"What's a good first crotalid for someone who's never kept hots before??"
hehehe - that's an original one!
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RE: Welcome to the Crotalidae forum!
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by Charper on August 17, 2000
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(applause and laughter) THANK YOU! THANK YOU! He'll be here all night ladies and gentlemen! :-}
CH
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RE: Welcome to the Crotalidae forum!
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by jared on August 17, 2000
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I would say some of the smaller viridus ssp. i dig great basins myself but would think oreganus,helleri, or abyssus(sp?) and possibly ruber (if ya can find them and have cash) would be fairly good starter Crots. The ones i discourage as a first are much easier: any durissus ssp,vergrandis,scutatus,atrox,adamanteus,horridus and ssp(wonder if this will start something?). I would say all of those guys would make bad 1st hots.
jared w
also banded rocks may be a good 1st if ya have the cash and they are CB.
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by tropidolaemus on August 22, 2000
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You mentioned some good ones but I like pygmies for a first. They are fiesty and teach you to stay on your toes real fast. I learned how to use a hook real well real fats with my little beasties!
John
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Starter crotes...
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by Jaffo on August 25, 2000
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There were some great species suggested.
I too like the viridis species for first timers. Also C.molossus, and young rubers would be good. Rubers get very large, but they usually have a mellow disposition, and if obtained as youngsters they can grow with the new keeper's skill level.
Pigmies are a pain for new people to hook and handle in my experience, and the young are VERY tiny and don't always feed very easily. The speciallized species like cerastes, tigris, mitchelli, willardi, lepidus, etc... are often hard to acclimate if they aren't very expensive, are tiny as neonates, and are somewhat speciallized feeders when young, so they would be for the more advanced keepers.
I would also discourage the obvious species like durissus, atrox, adamanteus, and horridus, simply because you can't predict the disposition of any of these, although I have had calm individuals from each species. Also, each of these are more likely to deliver a fatal bite.
That brings us to another point: is it better to start with a snake that can kill you? Wouldn't this be a better way to learn proper safe handling? I don't imagine most of us learn to keep any venomous snakes by making mistakes right? As long as we aren't learning by trial and error, what's the point of starting with something "less deadly"? The pissy big boys will teach you respect for the hot stuff, very safe handling technique, and respect for your own limitations, where as the less "challanging" little guys will teach you how easy it is to keep and handle crotes.
Whadya think?
Jaf
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RE: Jaff, I second that....
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Anonymous post on August 25, 2000
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The first hot that I decided to keep long-term was a canebrake. I was looking for a neonate copperhead, but the first snake that happened along was a baby canebrake. I'm so glad I ended up with that canebrake. Now that I've kept both species long term, I can say that if I'd started with the copperhead I might have ended up being unprepared for the canebrake. The mellowness of the copperhead might have caused me to 'ease up' in my handling...... and end up cane-bit.
Like I said when I got the snake..... it doesn't matter how hot they are..... hot is hot and they should all be treated the same. Even a pigmy can kill you if you have an allergic reaction. Dead is dead, so treat them all as if they would kill you if they bit you.
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Chad
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by pit_viper on July 25, 2001
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I know their agkistrodons, but I think copperheads make the best first hot, their venom aint TOO bad, and those pygmies are way too small and aggressive for a first hot.
PV
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