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by BwViper on October 21, 2004
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Besides, the daddy long legs isn't a spider, so how can it be the most toxic spider anyway? Just a thought....lol
Bobby
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by TexasCobra on October 21, 2004
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Well its a tossup just like the most venomous snake. I go by beleave nothing you here and half that you see so who really knows. try going to the crock hunter website and ask them through emale because they should know.
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by Buzztail1 on October 23, 2004
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Actually there is no real question about the right answer.
If you click on the profiles of the people who answered this question, you will find one of the responders to be a Dr. whose job is in venom research. I would offer that his response is probably the most accurate and complete. I would also suggest that his response certainly carries more weight because of his background studying venoms and their effects than a zoo keeper/television personality.
It is important to remember that not everyone who responds here is an expert. Make sure you check the profiles and ask questions about responders experiences if you have any doubts.
Karl
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by BwViper on October 23, 2004
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Yes I agree.. Bryan is well respected by me and many others. He does great work and I can only envy him. I would love to do some of the things he has done. I am just not in the possition to do a lot of things I want just yet.
Based on what he has said I have found it all to be fact. I do indeed trust what he has to say, as this is his field.
But it still seems to be a toss up between one of the funnel web spiders and the wandering spider. Going by what I have researched on many different websites, it would appear that the wandering spider is the most toxic. Either way, they are both extremely dangerous, but it seems that if you got bit, you have more of a chance at croaking from the wandering spider. If this is a wrong assumption, please let me know. Thanks everyone.
Bobby
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by BwViper on October 23, 2004
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I haven't seen anything on a paper bark funnel web, is that the same spider as the tree dwelling funnel web? I read over your post a couple times and it looks like you're saying the paper bark funnel web is the most toxic, even over the wandering spider. Is that what you're saying? I don't mean to sound dumb, but I haven't delt with spiders other than what is around me. As far as I know, in the areas I live in, the Black widow is the at the top. Then I would have to say the Brown recluse would be second. I encounter the black widow and the recluse quite often in my line of work (electrician), being under houses and stuff all the time. Of course, I find a lot of weird looking creatures under houses at times. I'm always worried that I won't see that one widow and lay my hand on it, OUCH.
I could be wrong on that to, as I am just now tring to learn more about the eight leggers. I am all ears to any other info you're willing to give. Thanks for your time.
Bobby
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by BGF on October 23, 2004
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Hi Bobby
I'm currently travelling at the moment so don't have LD50 data in front of me so can't say which is definitively more toxic, Phoneutria fera or one of the Funnelweb spiders in the Atrax or Hadronyche genera. However, as I mentioned a bit further up the thread, within their respective spider types, they are certainly the most toxic. As for which funnelweb is the most toxic, LD50 data hasn't been compiled for most (there are over forty species of funnel web spider, they occupy the coastal fringe from Adelaide all the way up to Rockhampton. The Sydney is not the largest and I suspect not the most toxic. Hadronyche cerbera (called the Southern tree dwelling funnelweb or paperbark funnelweb) consistently requires huge amounts of antivenom (up to 17 vials!!). Whether this is due to it being more toxic or the antivenom (made using Sydney funnelweb venom) not recognising it well, or a combination of the two, remains to be sorted.
We're doing a bit of work on regional variation in venom profile in funnel webs and finding some interesting stuff.
Cheers
Bryan
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by Frawgg on October 23, 2004
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BGF, please refrain from insulting comments. I'm from Texas and I don't take kindly to such disparaging remarks. Texans are some of the most decent & friendly people that you will find anywhere in the world. I presume a fair number of morons can be found in Australia as well as other parts of the world. Some of us who live here in Texas actually respect your knowledge and expertise. Comments like the one you made will not endear yourself to Texans. If you're ever here in the Houston, Texas area I'd be honored to show you some "Southern Hospitality" that "we" are so renowned for.
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by BGF on October 23, 2004
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Hi mate
It wasn't intended at Texans in general, I have some good mates indeed from there. Merely a barb thrown out due to frustratedness about how Bush has made the world a much more dangerous place by not doing the real job at hand but rather making it all into some sort of Greek tradgedy, trying to get Daddies approval.
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Bryan
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by moogeni on October 24, 2004
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they are the most danger spider, folowed by phoneutria, loxoceles and latrodectus species. phoneutria fera, p. reidyi,p. nigriventer, p. keyserlingi, p. pertyi, loxoceles gaucho, l. laeta and l. intermedia are the dangerous south american species. phoneutria has neurotoxins, painfull bite and can be letal. loxoceles dont have painfull bite but causes an enormous wound (necrosis), may kill children, old people and allergic people.
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